Are we wasting our lives?

[ecco]

Plus its this easily accessible excuse for you the Person to get discounted. Only Humanists get to keep their humanity. There's a particular word for having any religious force over anybody else, and wanting them to share something with you. Probably evangelization.
5 of 30 contacts hear from you on religion when they are Already religious and this is Sharing, or they asked with interest about angels or something and that's responsive, or act like you go around and did anything bossy to religious people.
Life's a big waste of time about professors saying you have inappropriate actions to students, ya we're a bunch of young'uns and we are feeling ourselves for college no, who send you to counselors who hear nothing about it, no, who send you packing to whoever supposed to know how you're already punished everywhere about something being wrong.

Did you really intend to address the above to me?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

From a faith side, it is said all knowlege reverts to God, the spiritual goal is given. I see knowledge takes us beyond the senses into the unknown. That unknown becomes a 'discovery', but it was always there.

That goal, I see, has gifted science so we can discover the realities hidden within this creation. I see a great scientist knows the goal and thus in pursuing science, will search for all these hidden realities mindful of the goal. I see that science needs that balance.

Regards Tony

And so you admit that it is entirely your worldview, religion and agenda that sees you naming science as a seeker of God, or that the knowledge gained through scientific discovery is somehow a process of revealing God, etc.

Tell me, do think that I, as an atheist, would ever claim that science's ultimate goal had something to do with atheism? Can you imagine how delusional or disingenuous I would need to be in order to make such a claim sincerely?

 

[ecco]

The apex of knowledge for both science and faith, is to know and Love God.

Why would you make such an obviously untrue assertion? Is doing things like that part of what Bahai teaches or do you just do that on your own? Perhaps, some other Bahais would like to chime in on that.

I did not make the assertion, it is recorded, I read it, considered it and have shared it.

It has become part of my reality and I will quote the sources if you wish.

Oh! It is recorded! Wow!

“I’m Jesus Christ, whether you want to accept it or not, I don’t care.”
Is a recorded quote from Charles Manson.

I guess, to your way of thinking, since it's recorded, it must be True.

 

[ecco]

I see some have found all the evidence needed to emabrace God, I m not sure what others would need to embrace that Truth. It would be up to them to look if they choose to.

The above is an excellent example of your self-serving holier-than-thou mindset.

• Some embrace God
• It's so sad that everyone doesn't see the Truth of embracing God.
• Oh, if only they weren't so blind to the Truth.

I personally see that life has no meaning without God and a purpose that extends beyond this mortal life. We can give life all we have, but that has no purpose if death overtakes.

You personally believe that life has no meaning without God. How sad to base one's life on one of thousand of superstitious myths.

 

[ecco]

I stopped wasting my life on religion 13 years ago.

Congratulations.

 

[ecco]

The thread has no intent but to explore what is truth and my side of the debate is that Truth is all of God.

When are you going to present some evidence to support your assertion "that Truth is all of God"?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

This thread is in Science and Religion as it is about Truth and how each of us chooses to find, 'what is Truth'?

I seem to attract quite a few warnings for trying to convert people to my faith, even when I say repeatedly that I can not, do not have the ability to convert any person and do not want to convert any person.

My stance is that I acknowledge a higher power that gifts knowledge to any heart that power chooses to give knowledge to. My part is to share the knowledge given to my heart. The issue for me and me only, is to determine what is the gifted part and what is from my own self.

Thus the topic of the thread 'Are we wasting our lives'. To give it context from a faith side, it is said the entire purpose of our lives and of all knowledge is so that we can come to know and Love God. Our own choices and actions determine if we progress towards that goal, in this life.

The topic.

The apex of knowledge for both science and faith, is to know and Love God.

If this is not our goal, are we wasting this life?

If this is our goal, are our own actions wasting this life?

So again, this is about what is Truth?

The thread has no intent but to explore what is truth and my side of the debate is that Truth is all of God.

Regards Tony

The good thing is that by simply living--as believers or not--we are making meaning. We are meaning makers, designed by whatever you wish to believe, God or Nature, to insert our own models into this reality. In this way, we are a part of "God" (Nature, divine being, totality of all that is, what have you) co-creating in a partnership making "wasted lives" impossible from this perspective.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The Dreamworld.
NDE experiences.

There are others, but as we know, they are easier to dismiss than to consider how they came about.

RegardsTony

How are dreams and NDE's 'beyond your senses'? If you can't 'sense' them, how can you claim that they even exists? If you CAN sense them, then clearly they are NOT 'beyond your senses'.

 

[Milton Platt]

I see some have found all the evidence needed to emabrace God, I m not sure what others would need to embrace that Truth. It would be up to them to look if they choose to.

Regards Tony

Most anyone who is pressed hard to provide solid evidence for the existence of any particular god seems to only have anecdotal evidence, their own subjective interpretation of some sort of "experience", or will fall back on "faith". Which is to say, they have nothing concrete or verifiable to show. However, that isn't the topic of this thread, really, so I will leave it at that.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The reason life is meaningful and valuable is because it is temporary. I should make the best of every moment I have in this life because it's the only one I'm sure I have. There are no do-overs guaranteed in another life, no evidence of a heaven or future where a hero will save us or all things will magically be made right. The work of making our lives and this world a better place is ours, here and now.

I agree with the aspect of your thoughts which said; "I should make the best of every moment I have in this life because it's the only one I'm sure I have".

What I have found, is this statement is true, this life results in death. The purpose of this life is indeed to be the best we can and share the best with each other. The key thought is, if we do the best we can, how do we share that with others that suffer in misery and poverty? If we do not share with them, are we doing the best we can?

I see they are the choices we have and from a faith perspective, this is the concept of being born again. It means being born from the world of material gain, to the spiritual action of charity and service to all.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And so you admit that it is entirely your worldview, religion and agenda that sees you naming science as a seeker of God, or that the knowledge gained through scientific discovery is somehow a process of revealing God, etc.

Tell me, do think that I, as an atheist, would ever claim that science's ultimate goal had something to do with atheism? Can you imagine how delusional or disingenuous I would need to be in order to make such a claim sincerely?

My worldview is an adopted and shared worldview. It is adopted from the source of Truth, that is given by God.

If the source of Truth says that all Truth reverts back to God's Given Manifestation, then that is what I share.

If you choose not to investigate that source, then I do not expect that you will or can agree with the adopted worldview offered in this thread.

On the other hand that Truth is within all of us and as such I can not say how you will react to such disclosure.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Oh! It is recorded! Wow!

“I’m Jesus Christ, whether you want to accept it or not, I don’t care.”
Is a recorded quote from Charles Manson.

I guess, to your way of thinking, since it's recorded, it must be True.

If I did not care I would not be here posting such a thread. I can not change the way you consider life, that is all in your hands.

Many Prophets have walked this earth and given a Message, one can choose to read them and consider if Truth are in those Messages. If one chooses not to and it is the Truth, the Truth does not suffer because of that choice.

This says it well; "........I bear witness, O friends! that the favor is complete, the argument fulfilled, the proof manifest and the evidence established. Let it now be seen what your endeavors in the path of detachment will reveal. In this wise hath the divine favor been fully vouchsafed unto you and unto them that are in heaven and on earth. All praise to God, the Lord of all Worlds."

It is your choice, your decision to make.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The above is an excellent example of your self-serving holier-than-thou mindset.

I have never met you and you have not met me.

We do not know each other.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When are you going to present some evidence to support your assertion "that Truth is all of God"?

I can use that statement as good evidence to say it is not from man.

Man always demands proof, when the entire creation they exist in, is proof enough of intelligence.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The good thing is that by simply living--as believers or not--we are making meaning. We are meaning makers, designed by whatever you wish to believe, God or Nature, to insert our own models into this reality. In this way, we are a part of "God" (Nature, divine being, totality of all that is, what have you) co-creating in a partnership making "wasted lives" impossible from this perspective.

I would agree, it all has meaning.

I also note that man is inspired to find that meaning and thus this thread.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How are dreams and NDE's 'beyond your senses'? If you can't 'sense' them, how can you claim that they even exists? If you CAN sense them, then clearly they are NOT 'beyond your senses'.

Have you flown in your dreams? How is that possible as it is not a sensible reality in this world?

Many People that have NDE know what it is like to fly, they will mostly all say the experience they had can not be explained in this material world.

I did offer that many will reject these obvious proofs. Science is still at the early stages of research as to how this all happens.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Most anyone who is pressed hard to provide solid evidence for the existence of any particular god seems to only have anecdotal evidence, their own subjective interpretation of some sort of "experience", or will fall back on "faith". Which is to say, they have nothing concrete or verifiable to show. However, that isn't the topic of this thread, really, so I will leave it at that.

I see 'evidence takes many forms. I see a claim by a Messenger as evidence. I see they are the evidence for that claim. Why Is that then not valid evidence, as they can be proved true or false by that same Message?

One can choose any part of the Truth they wish to embrace, if you see science as the only path to 'Truth', is it scientific to deny that the spiritual does not exist?

 

[MikeDwight]

What you are saying is that, in your own elevated opinion of yourself, you pretend to know what Truth is.

Anyone can make that assertion. In fact, many people assert that their version of the knowledge of God is Truth. Since they are all different, they cannot all be correct. The religion that you base your beliefs on is just one more in a long line of superstitious myths foisted upon the public. Your religion was born out out Islam but, in essence, is not much different from Scientology, LDS, JW, Baptist, Catholic, etc ad nauseam.




Why would you make such an obviously untrue assertion? Is doing things like that part of what Bahai teaches or do you just do that on your own? Perhaps, some other Bahais would like to chime in on that.

To go back to your post, I think at least with Some backbone, Everyone is asserting Their version of the Truth . It just reminded me of the classic fault of professors that are there hammering Why did you mention religion to anyone? Are you fanatically a religious defined person? They are discounting circumstances and attributing to me religion, when NO one heard from me needing to do that.

I have to agree with what you posted since though, outside of persecuting when the moral agreements are denominational Presbyterianism, because not hitting each other over the head with rocks didn't come naturally in the 200 AD, then I do agree with you that everybody sure likes to throw a little sentence here and there. It loses its authority out of context with no explanation they keep doing this.

 

[Skwim]

I see that you are free to offer that view and that I have no obligation to prove to anybody what I see is Truth. It is proven fact to me.

Then it was hardly a profound utterance, was it. What other personal observations do you have that aren't worth sharing? That licorice is Satan's favorite nighttime snack? That pi is a rational number, whose truth will become apparent when it's calculated to the five quadrillionth digit?

I see that the Truth will always shine and I see the virtues are the light of this world.

Yeah, I didn't figure there would be any explainin', just more unsupported claims.

We even make movies where evil is darkness and good is the light that all like to see win in the end.

Again with the presumptuous generalizations.

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[Dawnofhope]

This thread is in Science and Religion as it is about Truth and how each of us chooses to find, 'what is Truth'?

I seem to attract quite a few warnings for trying to convert people to my faith, even when I say repeatedly that I can not, do not have the ability to convert any person and do not want to convert any person.

My stance is that I acknowledge a higher power that gifts knowledge to any heart that power chooses to give knowledge to. My part is to share the knowledge given to my heart. The issue for me and me only, is to determine what is the gifted part and what is from my own self.

Thus the topic of the thread 'Are we wasting our lives'. To give it context from a faith side, it is said the entire purpose of our lives and of all knowledge is so that we can come to know and Love God. Our own choices and actions determine if we progress towards that goal, in this life.

The topic.

The apex of knowledge for both science and faith, is to know and Love God.

If this is not our goal, are we wasting this life?

If this is our goal, are our own actions wasting this life?

So again, this is about what is Truth?

The thread has no intent but to explore what is truth and my side of the debate is that Truth is all of God.

Regards Tony

What is truth? An essential part of the answer for us both are the Words Revealed by Bahá’u’lláh whom we believe to be the Manifestation of God for today. Of course that is not the standard and belief for most others here on this forum. We need to respect that. So while the starting point for Baha’is is clear it can’t possibly be for one who doesn’t share Baha’i beliefs. However if we believe Bahá’u’lláh there are infinite paths to truth. For example He was said:

Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay of My command I made thee to appear, and have ordained for thy training every atom in existence and the essence of all created things.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, Page 32

As religion and science are both wings of knowledge there is an abundance of common ground we can experience with theists and atheists alike.

As to the question “are we wasting our lives?” the answer will be very different for each one of us according to our values. What appears meaningful and productive for one is completely meaningless for another. I wonder if the question for you is “ am I wasting my time on this forum participating in diverse discussions about religion amongst other things?” I don’t know what the answer is for you nor for me. I do know that I enjoy being here and I learn a great deal.