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Are you a male or female

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Hi We Never Know.

Perhaps.

One of the reasons of you being irked seemed to have come from the fact that you already answered these things on the 5 pages of paper work you had filled out and didn't want to have to go through something that should've been obvious. Had the doctor accepted your first answer that you were a male, you wouldn't be annoyed. The annoyance came when they were follow up questions. As I said, in the Bible it tells us that Yahweh made two genders. So perhaps. Perhaps if the doctor would've accepted this fact you wouldn't have felt irked and the doctor would have accepted your initial self-explanatory response. So yes, perhaps this could be construed as a religious debate.

Perhaps.
I don't understand what you see as the issue. All of the questions at the doctor's office focused on the two genders you say are God-endorsed.

You say "male and female he created them." Why wouldn't there be room in this for a spectrum of male and female?

Why wouldn't a non-binary person who is both male and female not fit into "male and female he created them"?
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I was at a new Dr today and as the person was asking me things to enter my information into their system, the person says "I have to ask you these questions"
1. Are you male or female. To which I chuckled and said male.
2. Where you born a male or a female? To which I answered male of course.
3. Do you identify as a male or female? To which I answered I am male through and through as I was born. I am a male and that's that!

She paused and then said ok let's move on.

It kind of irked me lol
Without further information about what kind of doctor this is, I can only imagine it was a psychiatrist, and you were there to learn why you become irked by simple gender related questions.

Sorry, but it seems to me a very trivial thing to get irked over. It may speak to other issues regarding accepting others for who they are, especially when it comes to gender.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Well I reckon they need to expand the question to include...
"Are you non-binary, gender non-conforming, agender, esspigender, pangender, genderfluid, adamas gende, demigender, gender neutral, two-spirit, third gender, duragender, or any of the many others not mentioned and if so, what?
And then there's always the ever popular: Are you a whiner?

In any event, I would have expected you to calmly respond to any of these irksome questions with the equally irksome: "We Never Know."
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Its was in a cubicle where other people waiting can/could hear so for people wanting it private, they are SOL.
I would think this would be a HIPAA violation.

It would be simpler just to ask "Do you have gender dysphoria and/or are you a transgender"?
Simpler still, you could have just stayed at home.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Well I reckon they need to expand the question to include...
"Are you non-binary, gender non-conforming, agender, esspigender, pangender, genderfluid, adamas gende, demigender, gender neutral, two-spirit, third gender, duragender, or any of the many others not mentioned and if so, what?
I think that they should add that as a fourth question. I'll suggest it for your next visit.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I was at a new Dr today and as the person was asking me things to enter my information into their system, the person says "I have to ask you these questions"
1. Are you male or female. To which I chuckled and said male.
2. Where you born a male or a female? To which I answered male of course.
3. Do you identify as a male or female? To which I answered I am male through and through as I was born. I am a male and that's that!

She paused and then said ok let's move on.

It kind of irked me lol
Someone aeks me i think i will
say, "if you dont know I am not going to tell you."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Asking questions that have obvious answers is
current practice because in a small number of
cases, the answer is unexpected & medically
useful.
This is something I've discussed with health
care & public health workers I know. And yes,
even they question the extent to which questions
should be repeated.
Their work environment is full of dire risks to
patients if ever there's a mistake. Better to be
obsessively careful than not.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Asking questions that have obvious answers is
current practice because in a small number of
cases, the answer is unexpected & medically
useful.
This is something I've discussed with health
care & public health workers I know. And yes,
even they question the extent to which questions
should be repeated.
Their work environment is full of dire risks to
patients if ever there's a mistake. Better to be
obsessively careful than not.

This. I understand that some social and medical changes, such as the addition of these questions about gender identity and sex, may take getting used to (especially if one has experienced a previous status quo for decades), but it seems to me that the changes in this case are necessary because not everyone is cisgender, and that information is medically relevant in some cases.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I was at a new Dr today and as the person was asking me things to enter my information into their system, the person says "I have to ask you these questions"
1. Are you male or female. To which I chuckled and said male.
2. Where you born a male or a female? To which I answered male of course.
3. Do you identify as a male or female? To which I answered I am male through and through as I was born. I am a male and that's that!

She paused and then said ok let's move on.

It kind of irked me lol
Reminds me, I was at the clinic a few months back, and while filling out paperwork, one of the questions was to list any pronouns I might have. I responded I don't have any pronouns, but I do have adjectives; and my adjectives are "brilliant", and "handsome". Upon looking at my paperwork, the lady behind the counter acted as if I were trying to be a smart @@@ but I insisted if someone can have pronouns, why can't I have adjectives? She had no answer.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Sounds like a very first world problem to me

Perhaps, but I think many problems could be described as such in comparison to the status quo in countries that are even worse off. Even most of the "third world" could be said to have some "first-world problems" compared to the worst-run and most struggling states on the planet, like North Korea and the Congo.

In my part of the world, I would be asked to record my religion on most documents, including many medical ones (since religion is part of birth certificates and national IDs). Additionally, you can only choose one of three religions: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

I don't enjoy that, although I guess it's also arguable that it's a "first-world problem" compared to, say, poverty.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Reminds me, I was at the clinic a few months back, and while filling out paperwork, one of the questions was to list any pronouns I might have. I responded I don't have any pronouns, but I do have adjectives; and my adjectives are "brilliant", and "handsome". Upon looking at my paperwork, the lady behind the counter acted as if I were trying to be a smart @@@ but I insisted if someone can have pronouns, why can't I have adjectives? She had no answer.

"If someone can have pronouns"? Do you mean custom pronouns? Because if we're talking about pronouns in general (rather than custom ones in specific), we obviously all have them. You even said "she" in your post to refer to her.

I'm not sure whether she was asking about custom pronouns (which are a topic of their own, in my opinion), but since some people are not the same gender as their sex might typically suggest, I don't see what the problem is with asking someone about pronouns (e.g., whether they use "they/them" rather than "he/him" or "she/her").
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Additionally, you can only choose one of three religions: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

I don't enjoy that, although I guess it's also arguable that it's a "first-world problem" compared to, say, poverty.

Life is full of minor inconveniences. What makes it a "first world problem" is how we react to them, not necessarily the inconvenience itself
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I was at a new Dr today and as the person was asking me things to enter my information into their system, the person says "I have to ask you these questions"
1. Are you male or female. To which I chuckled and said male.
2. Where you born a male or a female? To which I answered male of course.
3. Do you identify as a male or female? To which I answered I am male through and through as I was born. I am a male and that's that!

She paused and then said ok let's move on.

It kind of irked me lol
Well it wouldn't have irked me, and as someone old enough to be stuck in their ways I will have to admit that some things I do will irk those younger having very different lives than when I was young. Such is progress or simply time passing, and I'm quite happy to see all those who are not simply self-designated male or female having their considerations taken into account.
 
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