Are you a male or female

[Firenze]

Reminds me, I was at the clinic a few months back, and while filling out paperwork, one of the questions was to list any pronouns I might have. I responded I don't have any pronouns, but I do have adjectives; and my adjectives are "brilliant", and "handsome". Upon looking at my paperwork, the lady behind the counter acted as if I were trying to be a smart @@@ but I insisted if someone can have pronouns, why can't I have adjectives? She had no answer.

I list my pronouns on LinkedIn as “Lord/Master”…

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh so it's like saying cheapskate? Cool, thanks.

Not quite.
More about appealing to cheapskates.

That is a weird law.

The state has since backed off on this,
which means my risk of becoming a
felon is greatly reduced.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

I list my pronouns on LinkedIn as “Lord/Master”…

XD genius! Wonder what their face was like when they saw that?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Michigan's
small business census that required stating one's
religion (under penalty of prosecution).

A real concern has finally been highlighted in this thread.

 

[We Never Know]

Sure there is.

In addition to what I said in my previous post, I've made points that imply you either allow yourself to be bothered excessively by trivialities, that you have issues with being negligibly inconvenienced with questions are designed to accommodate non-cisgender people, or you just flat out take issue with non-cisgender people.

But instead taking the opportunity to respond directly, you choose to play the victim.

If your only contribution to our interaction is going to be name-calling, I think we can be done here.

Having me answer a question that applies to less than 1% of people 4-5 times in the paperwork and the again several times in person is irksome to me. I don't really care if you like it or not.

We were done when your replies were **** replies.

 

[Firenze]

XD genius! Wonder what their face was like when they saw that?

Eye rolls have been the default. I wonder if I can sue anyone that refuses to use them?

 

[Revoltingest]

A real concern has finally been highlighted in this thread.

Fundies would think my concern to be ridiculous.
Gotta identify enemies to God's holy war.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It does seem that it would have been much faster and more precise to simply ask if you have undergone any kind of gender reassignment. Most people would say no, and that would be that. For someone that says yes, then ask for clarification.

We don't want to ignore the issue, especially with our doctor. But the fact is it's still a rare thing, and should be treated that way. Not as if it were a constant issue for everyone, everywhere, all the time.

It called not only being polite and professional but the fact is you can't always just tell. Amd nit everyone who is trans has had or will have medical procedures.

 

[Firenze]

When I had surgery in the 70s, I was required
to have a religion. They wouldn't accept "none".
But they did accept "Born Again Pedestrian".
BTW, several friends & family joined my religion.

Just think....if I hadn't had a badly broken leg,
a major religion might never have been born!

Wow. Even in the Army in ‘72 my dog tags were able to state ‘No Religious Preference’.

 

[Revoltingest]

Having me answer a question that applies to less than 1% of people 4-5 times in the paperwork and the again several times in person is irksome to me. I don't really care if you like it or not.

How would they know the answer if they don't ask
everyone? Even though unlikely, you could be trans
or non-binary for all they know.
It's always worthwhile to consider the concerns &
perspective of others.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wow. Even in the Army in ‘72 my dog tags were able to state ‘No Religious Preference’.

Well, I was at Good Samaritan in Baltimore,
which was ostensibly a Catholic hospital.

 

[Revoltingest]

It called not only being polite and professional but the fact is you can't always just tell. Amd nit everyone who is trans has had or will have medical procedures.

And how the questions are asked is important.
They should be designed to encourage divulging
medically useful info. Blunt dwelling upon
reassignment is not only limiting the info provided,
it would likely discourage anyone not reassigned
from volunteering useful info.

It reminds me of the 988 Suicide Hotline. Much
research went into choosing the recorded voice
used, the on-hold music, & other aspects. The
resulting improvement was a small percentage.
But small as it was, it prevented tens of thousands
of people from hanging up because they were
discouraged. Many lives are at stake.

Things are more complex than many realize.
An open mind is better than leaping to vexation.

 

[HonestJoe]

She paused and then said ok let's move on.

It kind of irked me lol

Probably irked her more. Nothing like patients wasting their time with petty sarcastic answers to simple questions.

 

[We Never Know]

How would they know the answer if they don't ask
everyone? Even though unlikely, you could be trans
or non-binary for all they know.
It's always worthwhile to consider the concerns &
perspective of others.

By looking at the paper work I filled out.
If they are so interested why don't they ask me about medical history, surgery history, allergies, etc verbally in person.
Oh wait, they don't need to. They can get that from the pages of paper work I filled out with everything else

 

[We Never Know]

Reminds me, I was at the clinic a few months back, and while filling out paperwork, one of the questions was to list any pronouns I might have. I responded I don't have any pronouns, but I do have adjectives; and my adjectives are "brilliant", and "handsome". Upon looking at my paperwork, the lady behind the counter acted as if I were trying to be a smart @@@ but I insisted if someone can have pronouns, why can't I have adjectives? She had no answer.

Yep. Had the pronoun questions on my paper work too.

 

[Quintessence]

Thanks. Just talking about replacing three vertebrae in my neck. Nothing serious lol

Yikes... I might get miffed about normally trivial things too if I had that hanging over my head.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Having me answer a question that applies to less than 1% of people 4-5 times in the paperwork and the again several times in person is irksome to me.

You're right. 80,000,000 people in this world don't matter, at least to the point where you should be inconvenienced for a few seconds a couple of time per year. What was I thinking?

I don't really care if you like it or not.

Either you care if people like it or not, or you created a thread here to whine about it. Which is it?

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

It also sort of comes off as unprofessional to repeat yourself, because it makes the person feel like they are not being listened to at all. Its like why are you asking again, when I just told you?

I get sometimes you're tired, or distracted, or your brain is in a fog. Sometimes we all do that, and maybe that was the case too? Who knows?

 

[SalixIncendium]

It also sort of comes off as unprofessional to repeat yourself, because it makes the person feel like they are not being listened to at all.

Huh?

 

[Kfox]

"If someone can have pronouns"? Do you mean custom pronouns?

Actually I believe the way the paperwork was worded was "do you have any particular pronouns". I guess particular pronouns is the same as special pronouns.

Because if we're talking about pronouns in general (rather than custom ones in specific), we obviously all have them. You even said "she" in your post to refer to her.

I'm not sure whether she was asking about custom pronouns (which are a topic of their own, in my opinion), but since some people are not the same gender as their sex might typically suggest, I don't see what the problem is with asking someone about pronouns (e.g., whether they use "they/them" rather than "he/him" or "she/her").

Personally I think this recent idea of trying to separate gender from biology by the professional community is rather foolish because it makes gender meaningless. That's why when referring to someone, I use biology when referencing male vs female; this way I don't mis-gender anyone.