.I don't really care one way or the other what questions they ask me, as long as everyone is getting the care they need.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Ok I will reword the question...
You are going in for say a back surgery. Is it more beneficial for your health care to know your past sugeries, current medications, allergies, etc or your gender indentity?
All of the above. Because I'm not a twat.
Edit: Look man, I understand what you're trying to to say. But I find that all aspects of a person are important in medical care (holistic). I don't rank one thing above the other in terms of importance. It all is.
We Never Know
No Slack
Prior to say back surgery.... Get these wrong "past surgeries, current medications, allergies, etc" and it could kill the patient.
Getting the gender identity wrong won't.
Ok? Like I said. It's all important in whole person care.
Just going to point out that sex assigned at birth, gender identity, and sexual orientation all directly relate to past surgeries and current medications as well as allergies. For both cisgender and transgender persons. It is actually related and important. Which is why it is asked.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Snow flake reaction
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I get really offended when I'm asked to prove that I'm over 21 to buy alcoholic drinks. I have to pull out my wallet and take out my driver's license, which is difficult as it's jammed in with other cards. I'm in my eighties, and look a little younger, but nevertheless ...
They typically ask questions to verify
what's on paperwork. Perhaps you
just don't spend as much time with
them as I do.
I'd rather not be so involved, but it's
better to be healthy.
Some issues are more likely to be sensitive,
& therefore avoided. Pressing for info
results in more complete info.
It's always useful to ask oneself, why do
others act as they do.....what benefit is
there?
I revel in it. I've been over
21 for nearly half a century.
We Never Know
No Slack
That was the second opinion. Not yet sure if I am going to do it. Its a 50/50. 50% it could help, 50% it could make it worse.
I was first told back in 2017 that I need it done but I know some who said it helped them and some that say they are now worse. So I have just pushed through it daily.
It will take a lot of thinking and researching before I decide.
siti
Well-Known Member
I think in gender-affirming surgery its not justice that is "turned away backward".
At least now you have a good idea of how comments like yours will be received when delivered to an assortment of people. Most will disapprove. Yes, you've said that you don't care what people think, but if that's the case, why share your opinions with them? How does it help you or anybody else to know that you were put off by those questions?
Are you sure? I'd say that everybody who bristles at anything LGBTQ+ is affected directly or indirectly by Abrahamic religions proscription on homosexuality. I say that because it's not a natural reaction to gender fluidity. I'm pretty sure that if you grew up in a world where all of this was open, visible, as prevalent as it is today, and socially accepted, you'd have no problem with any of it. Where else does homophobia originally come from if not religions that teach it?
I wasn't raised with religion, but I learned quickly that for a boy to have his masculinity or heterosexuality seriously questioned was social death. And while I was never taught that such people were sinners, or immoral, or harmful to society by parents or anybody else, and never thought of them that way, still, the thought of being mistaken for homosexual was something to avoid, which I suppose is a form of homophobia. And THAT comes from seeing how people who WERE taught those things from parents who learned them in church treated "sissies."
But never did I want to bully or shun the people that others wanted to torment. Never did I fear, resent, or disapprove of them. That's because I was never taught to. I don't say that you do, but what is the source of your revulsion if not religious bigotry by some path indirectly if not directly? It didn't come from music or the movies. You weren't taught it in school.
And here's the root source of all of this in my opinion: Abrahamic religion. You see LGTBQ+ people or a society that accommodates them as less than truthful and otherwise immoral. Who taught you that? You're encouraging somebody who is irked to stay irked. Why would you do that?
Maybe you can understand why this religion is increasingly being shamed and rejected in the places where it expresses and intends to impose its values. FYI, I don't consider the passage above or the religions that teach it to be moral exemplars. Au contraire. What you advocate is immoral according to my humanist ethics.
And to the OP, this is who agrees with you. I haven't seen any other support for your position on this thread.
I don't expect to change your mind or your gut feelings, but I think it instructive to note how this message was received in 2024 on RF, and extrapolate late that to everywhere else you share such opinions with people you don't know well and don't know that they will be sympathetic in advance.
And to those interested, for the last fifteen years during which I've lived in Mexico, when I've checked into a hospital, answered a Jehovah's Witness at the door, or answered a census, my answer is always Catolico (Spanish for Catholic). I've learned the lesson I want the OP to know - that when you share an unpopular position with strangers, more than a few will bristle at it, so why do it with strangers, which is even more relevant when they're people that have your address?
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siti
Well-Known Member
But it might "irk" a patient to be consistently referred to as something they don't identify as...on balance, I think its probably best they ask. Not sure why anyone would be "irked" by a question they are clearly very definite about.
siti
Well-Known Member
Irksome is a nice woody word...catchpenny, is a bit tinny in my opinion...
Sounds like a really tough and stressful decision. I've only had surgery once, and it was kind of a no-brainer - it didn't immanently need to get done but would eventually need to get done so I sighed and just got it done. Here's hoping things go okay for you regardless of what direction you go.
Quibbling.
Public awareness of non cisgender people and their challenges is new, and how to incorporate this new awareness smoothly into our various interactions is a work in progress. I expect it'll improve. Give it time.
siti
Well-Known Member
Definitely tinny
But what does all that religious nonsense have to do with demonstrable reality? People simply do not belong to just two, clearly defined sexes or genders. That's a medical fact, and we're trying to deal with it.