Are you a male or female

[Kfox]

Hijra, (India), māhū (Hawaii), vakasalewalewa (Fiji), fakaleitī (Tonga)...all refer to people with male sexual characteristics and assigned male at birth but who do not (and do not wish to) conform to male gender identity...most, if not all, of these go back centuries...in Fiji, for example, the idea of vakasalewalewa (meaning 'behaving as a woman') long predates the imposition of strict binary gender identity that came with Christian missionaries in the 19th century...as far as I can tell, many, if not most cultures have specific words for 'third gender' people that go back at least centuries...its only English that seems to struggle with a word (or several) for it...

The Bugis people in Indonesia recognize 5 genders and apparently has done so for at least six centuries.

Is that enough or do want some more?

It seems what you’re describing here is what we have in the USA, except we call them gay men and lesbian women. Perhaps other cultures, call what we call "sexual orientation" they call a different gender. What others might you have? Cross dressers; men who like to wear women's clothes? Or drag queens; men who like to perform as women?

 

[The Hammer]

It’s kind of a long link, I was hoping you could mention in your own words; what traits make them different.

I don't really feel like doing the reading and the comprehension for you. That is a pretty slim link.

 

[The Hammer]

It seems what you’re describing here is what we have in the USA, except we call them gay men and lesbian women. Perhaps other cultures, call what we call "sexual orientation" they call a different gender. What others might you have? Cross dressers; men who like to wear women's clothes? Or drag queens; men who like to perform as women?

Except it doesn't necessarily apply to sexual orientation or apply to their sexual lives at all, if you read my link.

 

[The Hammer]

"I just don't understand why you reacted so severely"


Are you serious?
Do you know the definition to irked?
I said it kinda irked me
Irked =annoyed
Being a kinda annoyed is far from reacting severely

There were times my kids kinda annoyed me as many kids will annoy their parents at times lol

You're entire OP seems an overreaction for merely being "irked".

 

[Kfox]

Except it doesn't necessarily apply to sexual orientation or apply to their sexual lives at all, if you read my link.

So is it more of a feminine male, and tomboy females?

 

[The Hammer]

So is it more of a feminine male, and tomboy females?

Idk? Did you read it? Either way your response where proves gender (cultural) is a spectrum as you can easily conceive of a way for it to work.

 

[Kfox]

Idk? Did you read it?

I scanned over it, and that’s how I interpreted what it said.

Either way your response where proves gender is a spectrum as you can easily conceive of a way for it to work.

How is gender a spectrum? Feminine men are still men, and masculine women are still women; where is the spectrum?

 

[The Hammer]

I scanned over it, and that’s how I interpreted what it said.

Well then there you go. As I said you will take what you want from it and will not understand any other perspective.

People won't change their views.

How is gender a spectrum? Feminine men are still men, and masculine women are still women; where is the spectrum?

I'm not really of the type to explain it anymore. I've done it enough.

 

[Kfox]

Well then there you go. As I said you will take what you want from it and will not understand any other perspective.

If I didn't care to understand any other perspective, I wouldn't be talking to YOU now would I.

People won't change their views.

Something tells me you may be one of those people.

 

[The Hammer]

Something tells me you may be one of those people.

Everyone is.

 

[The Hammer]

If I didn't care to understand any other perspective, I wouldn't be talking to YOU now would I.

You absolutely would. People love to reinforce their own opinions without fact.

I post the scientific and the cultural FACTS only.

If someone doesn't agree with science, not my problem, I'll leave that to others without my attitude problem.

 

[Kfox]

Everyone is.

Obviously there are exceptions to your rule, like when people seek perspectives from people who see things a little different.

 

[Kfox]

You absolutely would. People love to reinforce their own opinions without fact.

I post the scientific and the cultural FACTS only.

And when I asked for clarification concerning your "facts" you said you refuse to explain anymore.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Something tells me you may be one of those people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Same here as a natural born male. I'm proud of your comment as all women (and men) ought to be.

Being proud of nothing more than how you thrown into this world seems incredibly shallow.

 

[siti]

It seems what you’re describing here is what we have in the USA, except we call them gay men and lesbian women. Perhaps other cultures, call what we call "sexual orientation" they call a different gender. What others might you have? Cross dressers; men who like to wear women's clothes? Or drag queens; men who like to perform as women?

No...vakasalewalewa are not necessarily gay, they just take what is usually thought of as a more feminine role and hijra covers a whole spectrum of sexual and gender identities...some are transvestite, some are eunuchs...

Its not just about sexual orientation...its a recognition that gender is a far more varied and complex expression of human diversity than our language has the capacity to express. I really don't think people should get too hung up on labels (one way or t'other) - we are all different and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[siti]

Same here as a natural born male. I'm proud of your comment as all women (and men) ought to be.

"For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?" - 1 Corinthians 4:7

 

[The Hammer]

And when I asked for clarification concerning your "facts" you said you refuse to explain anymore.

Because they are posted in the links. Anything I say is opinion outside of that. Your quotes around the word "facts" seems to imply you think that facts are subject to opinion.

 

[Kfox]

No...vakasalewalewa are not necessarily gay, they just take what is usually thought of as a more feminine role and hijra covers a whole spectrum of sexual and gender identities.

I get it; in some cultures, there may be specific gender roles. But in the USA the male and female roles have pretty much been eliminated from society. Just because you are female doesn't mean you can't do "X", and the same for males.

Its not just about sexual orientation...its a recognition that gender is a far more varied and complex expression of human diversity than our language has the capacity to express.

How are you defining gender?

 

[Kfox]

Because they are posted in the links. Anything I say is opinion outside of that. Your quotes around the word "facts" seems to imply you think that facts are subject to opinion.

So are you gonna answer my question? Again; how is gender a spectrum?