Sonofason
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I'm sorry, that doesn't look like very convincing evidence to me. Maybe I'm right, and you have no evidence to share to support your claim.
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Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?
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McBell
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How about you present what you claim is my claim?
McBell
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Sonofason
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Well, I had said,
"I do not believe that it has been proven that the Sun predates the earth. Neither has been proven that the Bible claims that the earth predates the sun. Either case is pure speculation."
And then you said,
"And you wonder why you are not taken seriously?"
I can only assume that you believe my statement is incorrect, that you do believe that the Sun predates the earth, and that you do believe that the Bible claims that the earth predates the Sun.
Therefore, it is apparent to me that you and Shad are claiming that the sun predates the earth, and that the Bible claims that the earth predates the sun.
Now prove it.
McBell
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McBell
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I agree.
You made a fool of yourself jumping to the wrong assumed conclusion.
Now you are dictating to me a claim I never made based upon that faulty assumption.
Please be so kind as to reveal where I made the claim you claim I claimed or retract your lie.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Bloviation is not an argument
If I said you made a claim, then you made a claim. And I did say it; Now it is time for you to introduce evidence to support your claim that I have indeed determined that you have made.
If I said you made a claim, then you made a claim. And I did say it; Now it is time for you to introduce evidence to support your claim that I have indeed determined that you have made.
McBell
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Yet the vast majority of your posts are just that, bloviated sermons...
Though you do throow in the occasional bold faced lie, dictation of assumed claims, etc..
Now you are just plain flat out lying.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
I'll take the win...thanks.
McBell
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Rather worthless "victory" if you cannot present where I made the claim you claim I claimed.
But I understand.
You gotta take whatever you can get, even if it is a bold faced lie.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Yes, and that's a big if.
McBell
Unbound
Nope.
You flat out lied about what I have and have not claimed.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
The fact that you see things as you do does not make what you see a fact.
McBell
Unbound
you would do good to follow that bit of advice.
Fact is you claimed I claimed something I did not claim.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
I have already proven that you made the claims. I have stated what the claims you made were. And you still have not provided any evidence to support your claims. I will assume once again that you have no evidence to support your claims. And until you do, I will continue to acknowledge that your claims have not been substantiated.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I'm still not understanding these two concepts. You said why would god invite someone who hates him into his kingdom.
He already has by sending his son. Why would he not invite people he saved into his kingdom?
I never said it was evil. I don't believe in god; so, I have no opinion on whether he is good or bad. He doesn't exist in my head.
Logically, he invited all people (John 3:16) to his kingdom not just those who don't hate him. The ball park is from the christian's side. For example, if I displayed unconditional love, I would invite people I love and hate to my dinner table. The meaning behind that invitation has no reservations. I want people I hate and love at my dinner table; so, I invite them. As such, I am displaying unconditional love.
If you're saying that god doesn't want people to come to his kingdom that hate him then quote that "god so love the world.." etc, it's a contradiction between motive and action. It sends wrong signals.
Going by scripture, I'm just human. So to invite someone I hate even though I want to in to my home would be hard (rather). You're comparing god's unconditional love to a human. Unless he does't have it, now it goes back to dying for someone (inviting) who hates you (a sinner). What you're saying is completely opposite of scripture.
He already has by sending his son. Why would he not invite people he saved into his kingdom?
I never said it was evil. I don't believe in god; so, I have no opinion on whether he is good or bad. He doesn't exist in my head.
Logically, he invited all people (John 3:16) to his kingdom not just those who don't hate him. The ball park is from the christian's side. For example, if I displayed unconditional love, I would invite people I love and hate to my dinner table. The meaning behind that invitation has no reservations. I want people I hate and love at my dinner table; so, I invite them. As such, I am displaying unconditional love.
If you're saying that god doesn't want people to come to his kingdom that hate him then quote that "god so love the world.." etc, it's a contradiction between motive and action. It sends wrong signals.
If I loved someone unconditionally (charity) it doesn't matter how the other person sees me (or use money for alcohol to compare). Unconditional love has no reservations.
Going by scripture, I'm just human. So to invite someone I hate even though I want to in to my home would be hard (rather). You're comparing god's unconditional love to a human. Unless he does't have it, now it goes back to dying for someone (inviting) who hates you (a sinner). What you're saying is completely opposite of scripture.
Though this isn't the topic, no. How does this connect to the topic?
Yes. I believe that my mother loves me that doesn't mean I believe everything she says. I see god the same way. I see no hierarchy in spirituality even if god exited.
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Sonofason
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Please see my answer in post 473
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I read and replied to 473. Can you just sum it up with one commentary answer. Why would god send his son to die for you all and invite you all to his kingdom if he didn't want to invite those who hate him?
McBell
Unbound
All you have done is taken where I was pointing out your double standards, and falsely attributed some imaginary claim to me that has nothing to do with your double standards.
well, that and repeatedly lied about it.
No you haven't.
You have merely made the claim that I made a claim.
You have not shown where this claim you claim I claimed exists outside your imagination.
I have not made the claim you claim I claimed.
That is the problem, you assume to much.
I have no obligation to provide evidence for claims you claim I claim that I have not actually claimed
All this to avoid facing your double standards?
And you wonder why you are not taken seriously?