Are you an atheist? if so, What is your POV about God?

[Sonofason]

That is quite incorrect. We know a lot about the nature of life and we have a fair idea of how it likely arose.

Calculations about the odds of life arising somewhere else are of course tentative, but not meaningless.

What do you know about how life begins?

 

[LuisDantas]

What do you know about how life begins?

That it involves molecules that assemble rough copies of themselves from available smaller molecules, for one.

Have you studied any biology?

 

[Sonofason]

That it involves molecules that assemble rough copies of themselves from available smaller molecules, for one.

Have you studied any biology?

Yes I have. And like you, I know nothing of how life began.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes I have. And like you, I know nothing of how life began.

Oh, that would be an exageration at best.

 

[Sonofason]

Actually, it isn't me who is using that word incorrectly. When conveying our position on something, any word used is always a signifier of our position, not to be assumed to be fact by the other person. So, for him, he might ''know'' that for his own position.
some one else might ''know'' that pink unicorns roam Iceland, etc.

That is a wonderful sidestep.

 

[Sonofason]

Oh, that would be an exageration at best.

So you actually think that knowing that molecules assemble rough copies of themselves from available smaller molecules is substantial knowledge of how life begins?
How do molecules assemble rough copies of themselves?

 

[Desert Snake]

That is a wonderful sidestep.

Actually, I'm not sure why you think so. The claim to 'know' something can be made, it often is, whether in theism, or atheism, that doesn't mean it's a good claim, always.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you actually think that knowing that molecules assemble rough copies of themselves from available smaller molecules is substantial knowledge of how life begins?

It is certainly an important clue.

How do molecules assemble rough copies of themselves?

That is basic DNA working, you know. How much biology did you learn?

 

[Sonofason]

Actually, I'm not sure why you think so. The claim to 'know' something can be made, it often is, whether in theism, or atheism, that doesn't mean it's a good claim, always.

Saying, he wouldn't know if it's aliens, or something else, doesn't mean that he won't or can't consider to 'know', for his own position, that it's aliens.

Either the knowing leads to greater predictability of probability, or it does not. Seeing UFO's and aliens does not add one iota of greater accuracy with regard to the predictability of the probability of life existing on other planets.

 

[Desert Snake]

Either the knowing leads to greater predictability of probability, or it does not. Seeing UFO's and aliens does not add one iota of greater accuracy with regard to the predictability of the probability of life existing on other planets.

Why not? The idea of space travel presets itself, for example.

 

[Sonofason]

Why not? The idea of space travel presets itself, for example.

I don't see what you mean. Can you please elaborate on this idea?

 

[Sonofason]

It is certainly an important clue.


That is basic DNA working, you know. How much biology did you learn?

Actually, a year in high school, and a semester in college. My focus in college was more in chemistry, physics and mathematics.

I do have a general college background in biology and genetics.

My knowledge is sufficient to prevent the wool from being pulled over my eyes.

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't see what you mean. Can you please elaborate on this idea?

Really? Why? Are you saying that ufos or aliens landing doesn't indicate a an increased probability of space aliens? why wouldn't it?

 

[Sonofason]

Really? Why? Are you saying that ufos or aliens landing doesn't indicate a an increased probability of space aliens? why wouldn't it?

1. You have no idea how life originates.
2. You have no idea where aliens come from.

Any formulated probability would be nothing more than guess work, and guesswork is not mathematical. Speculation is not mathematical.

Now you seem to be changing your scenario. At first you spoke of life on other planets...now your talking of space aliens. Which is it?

What exactly is a space alien?

And where is your elaboration of the "presets" of space travel that I asked for?

 

[wicketkeeper]

I'm not an atheist but I don't believe in the god created by Man. We are here so what or how did all this come about ? Intelligent Design ? Maybe we'll find out when our lease on the flesh suit expires.

 

[Desert Snake]

Speculation is not mathematical.

Whatever that means.

Now you seem to be changing your scenario. At first you spoke of life on other planets...now your talking of space aliens. Which is it?

Actually I just said ''aliens''.

What exactly is a space alien?

An alien from space. It isn't ''exact''

And where is your elaboration of the presets of space travel that I asked for?

Where is that question?

 

[Sonofason]

I'm not an atheist but I don't believe in the god created by Man. We are here so what or how did all this come about ? Intelligent Design ? Maybe we'll find out when our lease on the flesh suit expires.

That concept sounds very familiar to the God who as you say was created by man. We shall indeed find out. But what I would like to know from you is why you disapprove of the God that you believe was created by man? Which attributes of this God do you not accept? Do you not believe that God is all powerful as the God is that was created by men? Do you not believe that the God created by men also created the entire universe? Do you not believe that the humanity who believes in this God that was created by men is in a fallen state? Do you not believe that a God can have a plan of redemption for mankind? What is it that you cannot accept about this God created by men?

 

[Sonofason]

Whatever that means.


Actually I just said ''aliens''.


An alien from space. It isn't ''exact''


Where is that question?

I'm not sure what you mean by "aliens from space".

Are you suggesting that aliens come from space? Is that like coming into existence out of thin air, but without the air? Are you speaking of angels, and demons?
What exactly is an alien from space? Do they have life? And if they do, how do you know this?

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[wicketkeeper]

That concept sounds very familiar to the God who as you say was created by man. We shall indeed find out. But what I would like to know from you is why you disapprove of the God that you believe was created by man? Which attributes of this God do you not accept? Do you not believe that God is all powerful as the God is that was created by men? Do you not believe that the God created by men also created the entire universe? Do you not believe that the humanity who believes in this God that was created by men is in a fallen state? Do you not believe that a God can have a plan of redemption for mankind? What is it that you cannot accept about this God created by men?

I offer the following from the Tao, chapter 1.



The tao(god) that can be told
is not the eternal Tao(god)
The name(god) that can be named(god)
is not the eternal Name(god)


And........'In the middle of the word belief there is a lie' - John Trudel.

Ha ! god is in the same show as the tooth fairy, father christmas and the easter bunny.

 

[Acim]

Atheists are those who don't BELIEVE. Agnostics are those who don't KNOW.

Yeah, I don't fully understand that. To me, that's as vague as trying to define God. I can draw on personal examples I have for "not believing" and "not knowing" but that doesn't hold up so well intellectually (nor philosophically, and for sure spiritually) with ideas fundamental as (or to) existence and primary influence. So, I think all other examples fall (well) short. Thus, you can really try (please give it your best shot) to have me understand, but as I've been agnostic and really (really really) do think I get what atheism means in all its superficial intellectual hyped up glory, I also think if explored, it comes down to some unadulterated nonsense.

And yes, I do (very much) realize atheists think it goes the other way. And yet, 'don't know.'

My chart was for theists/atheists. You can set up your separate chart for gnostics/agnostics. Or you can set up a chart combining them. But MY chart was for theists/atheists.No idea what you mean. Atheists don't believe in the EXISTENCE of gods. These guys.

1. 1.
   (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. 2.
   (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

To me, atheists may as well be saying "I don't believe in existence." If we are going to discuss this at the superficial level, I'll put my kid gloves on and we can have a nice little chat. But if willing to play a little (just a little?) hardball, then this nonsense of faith only deals with religion has gotta be taken down a notch, or perhaps put another way, bring your A game to the debate.