Trailblazer
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Why would the Messiah be God? The Messiah is a man, a world redeemer.
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Are you Certain There is no God?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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Daniel wasn't giving Jesus the title like the Son of Man, he was giving a description of what he saw in the celestial realms.
God is the only Redeemer there is. That's why Jesus being the world redeemer makes Him the Messiah.
Trailblazer
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No, the Son of God means Jesus was the Son of God, metaphorically speaking, since God does not have any biological offspring. Jesus was thus as a son is to his father, in a son to father relationship.
I don't really study the Bible as a Pagan, but it is certainly mythology (aka, sacred stories that convey deep truths and values of a people) and full of allegories (aka, contains hidden meaning that go beyond simplistic literal interpretation). At least as far as I'm aware. I'm also aware the Bible is a bit of an odd beast as far as mythic texts go. While most mythic tales are non-historical, the Bible is full of semi-historical to historical components, or so I've heard. Again, I don't really study the Bible - I'm not in a position to speak to its historicity.
Is the title the Son of God a reference to the virgin birth itself or are there other connotations behind it? The virgin birth isn't a reference to biological offspring it was a miracle.
What Bible stories do you think have an allegorical and not literal meaning? I don't believe the versions of the Bible that give people a mystical, gnostic understanding of who God is because they take away from the simple truth of who God is.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, anyone could say that. I could say it you could say it, nor does the Old Testament indicate anywhere that God was the Messiah. In fact the Old Testament indicates that the Messiah would be a man, not God.
Subduction Zone
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Just out of curiosity which "Ten Commandments" are you referring to?
Why would a man be wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities?
All tales can be approached in both ways - I don't view it as a this-or-that situation. For religions that have sacred texts, there are different traditions for approaching that literature. The approach a tradition takes is sometimes a defining component of that tradition, in fact. A certain interpretation or way of thinking about the lore may be central to one tradition and irrelevant in another.
I don't doubt that it does for some folks, yeah. Mysticism and gnosticism definitely are not for everybody. I feel like I can say that with some confidence since my own tradition is pretty heavily couched in direct experience of the gods and anything but simple truths... haha.
The Ten Commandments given to Moses on Mount Sinai. They are what we are to strive for but nobody can perfectly meet the demands of the law.
Why would God coming down to teach us how to live give us complicated esoteric teachings known only to a few people? It seems antithetical to the character of God. The ruling priest spending the night in the cemetery in the Gospel of Peter sounds doubtful at best.
I don't know. I'm not Christian. Follow whatever your tradition teaches - the perspective of an outsider like myself is probably not relevant for your practices, right?
None of the gnostic gospels were written by the people whose names are mentioned in their title. I'm willing to listen to the perspective of others.
Subduction Zone
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It appears that you are referring to one of the non-prophecies again. If you are referring to an Old Testament verse that was about Israel. Don't you realize that a lot of the Bible is written poetically?
Subduction Zone
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None of the Gospels in the Bible were written by the people whose names are in the title either.
Subduction Zone
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Do you mean the ones on stone tablets that were carried for quite some time in the Ark of the Covenant?
The verse being wounded for our transgressions is not a reference to Israel suffering for their sins. It's a reference to the Messiah suffering for our sins. What's an example of the Bible being written poetically that relates to this? I believe the Song of Solomon was poetic, because of the subject matter, but that doesn't make messianic prophecies poetic.