Are you Certain There is no God?

[rational experiences]

Why can't God become a man? God is the Creator of the universe. Jesus coming back to life doesn't negate his sacrifice, because his death on the cross was the sacrifice. Jesus came back to life to show that He is God. He didn't need to ascend to heaven to die for our sins, but he did it, and the same is true for the resurrection.

Gods in space ancient origins of science teaching.

Energy mass held converting in spatial vacuum.

Gods.

Born in space womb.

No man is God.

Science O God science based on mass removal in Oo small portions. Is that you brother mass energy converting.

How much non conscious brain use do you have left. After giving mind to machine and reactive design?

Science means in particular places no argument.

It's places are archaeological evidence.
Biological medical science. Human life one whole form after an ape. Owns no string theory.

Jesus theory man is God a string theory. Beginning of that theory big bang blast to pre existing higher form.

The reason.

Jesus not first earth spirit released into space.

Immaculate term heavenly presence also not Jesus. Immaculate one term only does not own two explanations.

Cold non burning gases supports burning gases.

One does not exist without the other.

Machine use. To make mass disappear.

History science thesis. To force mass to disappear.

Machine mass design disappears as sink hole. First marks the ground with reactive radiation mass then machine plus reaction eventuated sink hole.

Machine and reaction disappeared as theory for mass plus reaction.

Science destroys God
Science taught God is needed to keep man life safe is not a quote man is God.

In AI subliminal data heard feedback voice missing words is relative.

You are possessed by words missing. Original conscious descriptions gone.

Your mind says God is man. Reflected wrong. The written statement quotes no man is God.

You were told to read the written word for its reasoning.

Written compiled after second coming life sacrifice shroud evidence. It did come back.

Reason. Earth entered a heated radiating black heart hole.

 

[rational experiences]

But He did not say He was the Son of Man to be watching for.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

That's what Christians do and most will keep doing it as long as they live.
What will happen when they die is up to God.

Cloud natural history. A science teaching.

Owned no image.

Gases released from volcanic entered space smoking rolling burning effect.

What clouds are. Cooled burning gas spatial vacuum history.

Reason no image. Just clouds.

Motion long vacuum rolls smoking billowing effect.

A natural God O planet cloud.

History biological science.

Water oxygen mass present.

Microbes first. No image.
Nature garden. No image.
Animals. No image

Human equal parent.

No baby.

Was Jesus a baby?

Yes says everyone. Why then do you ignore the written words with your own opinions?

Secondly adult man brother said his brother sacrificed murdered his life by God acts.

The scientist said God natural did it. His excuse. Who changed God support. Make human scientist did.

Did you also get taught no self idolisation?

Isn't Jesus story about males being sacrificed by brother? Self idolisation one of the self warnings predictions to getting destroyed by believing self an idol. Human equal.

 

[Trailblazer]

God being a man doesn't annul his deity because He is first and foremost God, who is self existing, and he chose to become a man.

Sorry, but the Bible does not say that God chose to become a man. That is just a Christian doctrine.
God cannot incarnate His Essence and reveal it to man.

“Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 49

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit but that doesn't mean that He was created because He first and foremost was God, not a man. God lowered himself down and became a man because that God is the only person who could pay the price of sin. Everyone else is not perfect and thus cannot pay the price for our sins.

I believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit but that does not mean Jesus was God. As a Manifestation of God, Jesus was sinless so He did no need to become God to pay for our sins. Again, that is just a Christian doctrine that you bought off on, lock, stock and barrel.

Why would the apostles lie about seeing Jesus resurrected if they were persecuted for their beliefs? Myths and legends do not have historical basis-hundreds of people saw Jesus after His Resurrection. The body of Jesus was resurrected to show that Jesus was God.

There is no historical basis for the resurrection. It was just a story men wrote. It is just a religious belief Christians hold.

"What about religious truths? The proposition that Jesus was crucified may be true by historical validation, inasmuch as a man whom we refer to as Jesus of Nazareth probably existed, the Romans routinely crucified people for even petty crimes, and most biblical scholars—even those who are atheists or agnostics, such as renowned religious studies professor Bart Ehrman of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill—assent to this fact. The proposition that Jesus died for our sins, in contrast, is a faith-based claim with no purchase on valid knowledge. In between these is Jesus's Resurrection, which is not impossible but would be a miracle if it were true. Is it?

The principle of proportionality demands extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. Of the approximately 100 billion people who have lived before us, all have died and none have returned, so the claim that one (or more) of them rose from the dead is about as extraordinary as one will ever find. Is the evidence commensurate with the conviction? According to philosopher Larry Shapiro of the University of Wisconsin–Madison in his 2016 book The Miracle Myth (Columbia University Press), “evidence for the resurrection is nowhere near as complete or convincing as the evidence on which historians rely to justify belief in other historical events such as the destruction of Pompeii.” Because miracles are far less probable than ordinary historical occurrences, such as volcanic eruptions, “the evidence necessary to justify beliefs about them must be many times better than that which would justify our beliefs in run-of-the-mill historical events. But it isn't.”

What about the eyewitnesses? Maybe they “were superstitious or credulous” and saw what they wanted to see, Shapiro suggests. “Maybe they reported only feeling Jesus ‘in spirit,’ and over the decades their testimony was altered to suggest that they saw Jesus in the flesh. Maybe accounts of the resurrection never appeared in the original gospels and were added in later centuries. Any of these explanations for the gospel descriptions of Jesus's resurrection are far more likely than the possibility that Jesus actually returned to life after being dead for three days.” The principle of proportionality also means we should prefer the more probable explanation over less probable ones, which these alternatives surely are.

Perhaps this is why Jesus was silent when Pontius Pilate asked him (John 18:38), “What is truth?”"

What Would It Take to Prove the Resurrection?

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus described himself as the Son of man. In Matthew 18: 11 Jesus said, ""For the Son of Man is come to save that which was lost". Jesus said in Matthew 7:21, ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Baha'u'llah was one like the Son of man. That explains why Jesus never promised to return Himself.

Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Jesus ascended into heaven in the clouds. Baha’u’llah, one like a son of man, descended from the clouds of heaven of the Will of God, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. These verses are about an earthly Kingdom, not a heavenly Kingdom. Jesus’ Kingdom was in heaven, Baha’u’llah’s Kingdom was on earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Holy Spirit resurrecting Jesus is why I believe the body of Jesus resurrected.

The resurrection is of the Spirit and not flesh.

That is why Jesus told the flesh amounts to nothing and the Spirit is Life.

Regards Tony

 

[rational experiences]

Storyteller. Human man. Says God is a he or his or him. Which is a man. A human thinking. As the man.

Says to self you personally cannot reveal your owned life source presence to your own man male he him his presence.

One self human thinking. Reality.

Pretend no one else is with you.

In reality you are all by yourself

These stories would not be told.

To teach about a human condition lying. You include pretending. For self observation of your own self.

Never unless self destructive does a human theorising not include self presence. Yet they do not include other humans in self thinking.

Group support allows lying. Involving egotism and status. A warning in human behaviour.

 

[Skywalker]

Sorry, but the Bible does not say that God chose to become a man. That is just a Christian doctrine.
God cannot incarnate His Essence and reveal it to man.

“Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 49

I believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit but that does not mean Jesus was God. As a Manifestation of God, Jesus was sinless so He did no need to become God to pay for our sins. Again, that is just a Christian doctrine that you bought off on, lock, stock and barrel.

There is no historical basis for the resurrection. It was just a story men wrote. It is just a religious belief Christians hold.

"What about religious truths? The proposition that Jesus was crucified may be true by historical validation, inasmuch as a man whom we refer to as Jesus of Nazareth probably existed, the Romans routinely crucified people for even petty crimes, and most biblical scholars—even those who are atheists or agnostics, such as renowned religious studies professor Bart Ehrman of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill—assent to this fact. The proposition that Jesus died for our sins, in contrast, is a faith-based claim with no purchase on valid knowledge. In between these is Jesus's Resurrection, which is not impossible but would be a miracle if it were true. Is it?

The principle of proportionality demands extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. Of the approximately 100 billion people who have lived before us, all have died and none have returned, so the claim that one (or more) of them rose from the dead is about as extraordinary as one will ever find. Is the evidence commensurate with the conviction? According to philosopher Larry Shapiro of the University of Wisconsin–Madison in his 2016 book The Miracle Myth (Columbia University Press), “evidence for the resurrection is nowhere near as complete or convincing as the evidence on which historians rely to justify belief in other historical events such as the destruction of Pompeii.” Because miracles are far less probable than ordinary historical occurrences, such as volcanic eruptions, “the evidence necessary to justify beliefs about them must be many times better than that which would justify our beliefs in run-of-the-mill historical events. But it isn't.”

What about the eyewitnesses? Maybe they “were superstitious or credulous” and saw what they wanted to see, Shapiro suggests. “Maybe they reported only feeling Jesus ‘in spirit,’ and over the decades their testimony was altered to suggest that they saw Jesus in the flesh. Maybe accounts of the resurrection never appeared in the original gospels and were added in later centuries. Any of these explanations for the gospel descriptions of Jesus's resurrection are far more likely than the possibility that Jesus actually returned to life after being dead for three days.” The principle of proportionality also means we should prefer the more probable explanation over less probable ones, which these alternatives surely are.

Perhaps this is why Jesus was silent when Pontius Pilate asked him (John 18:38), “What is truth?”"

What Would It Take to Prove the Resurrection?

God could incarnate his essence because He spoke the universe into existence.

Do you believe Jesus being the Son of God is a reference to the Holy Spirit conceiving Jesus? Jesus being sinless is why He was the only one who could pay for our sins. Isn't it doctrine that Jesus was not God but a manifestation of God.

What did the authors have to gain by making up the story?

 

[Skywalker]

Baha'u'llah was one like the Son of man. That explains why Jesus never promised to return Himself.

Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Jesus ascended into heaven in the clouds. Baha’u’llah, one like a son of man, descended from the clouds of heaven of the Will of God, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. These verses are about an earthly Kingdom, not a heavenly Kingdom. Jesus’ Kingdom was in heaven, Baha’u’llah’s Kingdom was on earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Where does the Bible imply that Jesus is not the one like the Son of Man? Daniel saw Jesus in the fire in Daniel 3:25 and described him as like a Son of Man. Jesus said that the Son of Man came to seek and save that which is lost, in Luke 19:10.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God could incarnate his essence because He spoke the universe into existence.

Do you believe Jesus being the Son of God is a reference to the Holy Spirit conceiving Jesus? Jesus being sinless is why He was the only one who could pay for our sins. Isn't it doctrine that Jesus was not God but a manifestation of God.

What did the authors have to gain by making up the story?

Odds are that the authors themselves did not make up the story, but they probably embellished it a bit. Stories grow over time and there was roughly 40 years between the crucifixion and the first Gospel. That is the simplest one with the fewest miracles. Originally it only had an empty tomb at the end. There was a message that he would meet the disciples, but that was it. Matthew and Luke added the bogus nativity, both variations fail, though the one in Luke is more spectacular. Overall the resurrection story is a myth based upon the faulty Jewish beliefs of that time.

 

[Skywalker]

The resurrection is of the Spirit and not flesh.

That is why Jesus told the flesh amounts to nothing and the Spirit is Life.

Regards Tony

The Bible says that the ressurected will be ressurected in the flesh at the great white throne judgement. Jesus ressurected in the flesh to show that He is God and because there would be no need for Jesus to have a different body at his ressurection.

 

[rational experiences]

God could incarnate his essence because He spoke the universe into existence.

Do you believe Jesus being the Son of God is a reference to the Holy Spirit conceiving Jesus? Jesus being sinless is why He was the only one who could pay for our sins. Isn't it doctrine that Jesus was not God but a manifestation of God.

What did the authors have to gain by making up the story?

Natural life first.

Authorship secondary.

Vocal word origin to human male. You only spoke science words into invention.

Man write. Man write.

Write formula first. Ended God presence original sin.

O God angel stone angel original sin.

Satan burning angel mass.

Fell deep pit burning mass. Consuming. Vacuum mother saved God body. Sealed the angel God. Stone sealed off Satan mass.

How it was taught.

Theme where or what was origin that changed in big bang event.

Eternal the quote. What had always existed.

Creation exists reacted. Not that quote

Space becomes as mass removed presence. Still does today.

Eternal sung creation O God angels into being.

God O fell into burning. Creativity.

We came from eternal after God mass God heavens mass existed.

Radiation cooled owns mass form.

Radiation released no longer held.

Satan was the first evil God spirit. Not Jesus.

Ask a man how do you get sacrificed before you exist?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Matthew 24: 42-44 says Jesus will be coming at an hour we don't expect.

Well that happened. Next excuse please.



Regards Tony

 

[Skywalker]

Odds are that the authors themselves did not make up the story, but they probably embellished it a bit. Stories grow over time and there was roughly 40 years between the crucifixion and the first Gospel. That is the simplest one with the fewest miracles. Originally it only had an empty tomb at the end. There was a message that he would meet the disciples, but that was it. Matthew and Luke added the bogus nativity, both variations fail, though the one in Luke is more spectacular. Overall the resurrection story is a myth based upon the faulty Jewish beliefs of that time.

Embellishments don't explain all of the people who were persecuted for the gospel. The first gospel had fewest miracles because it was a different account than the other events and it wasn't unlikely that any one account would have a minority of miracles compared to the others. The idea that there was just a message that he would meet the disciples could have been invented to discredit the Bible. The Nativity details don't contradict themselves.

 

[Skywalker]

Natural life first.

Authorship secondary.

Vocal word origin to human male. You only spoke science words into invention.

Man write. Man write.

Write formula first. Ended God presence original sin.

O God angel stone angel original sin.

Satan burning angel mass.

Fell deep pit burning mass. Consuming. Vacuum mother saved God body. Sealed the angel God. Stone sealed off Satan mass.

How it was taught.

Theme where or what was origin that changed in big bang event.

Eternal the quote. What had always existed.

Creation exists reacted. Not that quote

Space becomes as mass removed presence. Still does today.

Eternal sung creation O God angels into being.

God O fell into burning. Creativity.

We came from eternal after God mass God heavens mass existed.

Radiation cooled owns mass form.

Radiation released no longer held.

Satan was the first evil God spirit. Not Jesus.

Ask a man how do you get sacrificed before you exist?

What do you doubt about the credentials of the authorship of the Bible?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bible says that the ressurected will be ressurected in the flesh at the great white throne judgement. Jesus ressurected in the flesh to show that He is God and because there would be no need for Jesus to have a different body at his ressurection.

I see that is a Hollywood Script version of the Bible.

May the force be with you.

Regards Tony

 

[Skywalker]

Well that happened. Next excuse please.



Regards Tony

There's a difference between Jesus coming at an hour we don't expect, and the return of Jesus being a cryptic event that nobody remembered.

 

[Skywalker]

I see that is a Hollywood Script version of the Bible.

May the force be with you.

Regards Tony

The Bible talks about the first and second ressurection of the dead.

 

[rational experiences]

In biology a male would say...... before I was sacrificed I was a man.

When I got sacrificed I became less than a man. Ape like.

Biology self still existed. Self presence sacrificed. Self bio chemistry converted to be yet returned. Yet was still present but reborn sacrificed.

In cell blood and flesh and bones.

A chemical bio DNA exodus genesis.

All stories quoted by living humans about living humans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Embellishments don't explain all of the people who were persecuted for the gospel. The first gospel had fewest miracles because it was a different account than the other events and it wasn't unlikely that any one account would have a minority of miracles compared to the others. The idea that there was just a message that he would meet the disciples could have been invented to discredit the Bible. The Nativity details don't contradict themselves.

Those that were persecuted for the Gospel were persecuted for their actions not their beliefs. Ad when one tries to verify the claims of persecutions it soon becomes obvious that they were grossly overblown.

 

[rational experiences]

What do you doubt about the credentials of the authorship of the Bible?

The natural end occurred first.

To own a reason to document proof life attacked by human choice.

End said never give God O stone a name.

Naturally known first. Yet it is last statement as a human law advice.

If you believed life was sacrificed the end statement said it all.

Writing was for teaching.