What did Jesus mean by till I come? I can't think of any explanation other than his second coming to the earth.
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Are you Certain There is no God?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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What did Jesus mean by till I come? I can't think of any explanation other than his second coming to the earth.
I believe in evidence based faith, where faith is founded on something tangible. An example is having faith that Jesus was a real person. Most historians would agree that He was for good reasons. Without feeling any obligation to take the Gospel accounts as anything more than any other written documents from that time period, recognise a man who taught in parables or stories with hidden meanings. Ove the half the world's population believe in Jesus including Muslms who see him as an important Prophet.
As human beings we have the capacity to recognise right from wrong, truth from falsehood. We all have the capacity to make informed decisions including those that relate to the realm of religion and spirituality.
No, Isaiah and Revelation say nothing about Jesus, you just assume everything is about Jesus, like every other Christian who cannot understand what the Bible means. But Jesus never promised to return and do anything, He said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world. The return of Christ is in the Bible but the return of the same man Jesus is not in the Bible.
Thy kingdom come is not about Jesus. Jesus knew that the Kingdom of God would come to earth in the future, so Jesus asked us to pray for the kingdom to come to earth, but Ne never said He would bring that kingdom.
Jesus ressurected in the same body to show that He is God.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It's, in itself, it's own designer. Think of moving colored lines on a computer screen. They all mix and pass each other. The lines are not created. They make up the movement and act of creation. If you froze the screen, they would be the end result. If you unfreeze it, it's the same lines in constant motion. No one "created" the lines; they've always existed.
If there were a creator, it shouldn't stop creating at a certain point and most definitely shouldn't be "concerned" over earth and people on it. If god was energy, ever moving, there's no bias. The whole physical universe/creation creates itself existent. Even using the word creation would be off because the pieces always exist just the picture (which isn't the end result) has not.
We can see creation form all the time from pre-existing things like sperm and egg to a baby or a pre-existing seed that with water and sun grows into a tree. If there were an external creator, there shouldn't need to be already pre-existing things to make up something new.
Life continues to "create." If there is such thing as a creator, what is it that it ideally existed back then but no longer exists (to see it creating) now?
Why would so many people have a vague idea of this creator if it's existence is supposedly fixed rather than in constant change?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
I learnt the term God taught as theism was a planet or star term stone.
One body spirit gas owner inferred.
Yet a human taught we came from spirit.
Two separate words. Different meanings. Explained as sophism. A cunning contrivance. False prophecy mathematical calculus
Human imposed.
Stories.
Science states God O is earth.
That status is acceptable.
Science says an immaculate gas heavens.
God gases changed as unexplainable vacuum changed. Acceptable explanation.
Then there is gas spirit phenomena.
AI effect. Explained as cause for changing first law as science statement. An effect.
Acceptable when you explain the anti phenomena human designer science effect gas spirit imagery.
As it is scientific awareness.
First scientific awareness human without change invented scientific thesis about natural mass.
As it's designer the effect would be image gained as cause.
Falsification displacement of natural history.
As we bio lives are the spirit owner.
Hence if you teach science said where creation originally came from as a place of spirit would explain why phenomena is spirit also.
What I learnt from science.
The human self who claimed I know how to destroy natural form.
One body spirit gas owner inferred.
Yet a human taught we came from spirit.
Two separate words. Different meanings. Explained as sophism. A cunning contrivance. False prophecy mathematical calculus
Human imposed.
Stories.
Science states God O is earth.
That status is acceptable.
Science says an immaculate gas heavens.
God gases changed as unexplainable vacuum changed. Acceptable explanation.
Then there is gas spirit phenomena.
AI effect. Explained as cause for changing first law as science statement. An effect.
Acceptable when you explain the anti phenomena human designer science effect gas spirit imagery.
As it is scientific awareness.
First scientific awareness human without change invented scientific thesis about natural mass.
As it's designer the effect would be image gained as cause.
Falsification displacement of natural history.
As we bio lives are the spirit owner.
Hence if you teach science said where creation originally came from as a place of spirit would explain why phenomena is spirit also.
What I learnt from science.
The human self who claimed I know how to destroy natural form.
It was the Battle of the Antichrist I talk about, the force of darkness against the light.
I hesitate to tell the story. I am not sure you wish to hear of it.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not know what Jesus meant but I looked at many Bible verses commentaries on those verses in John 21 and not one of them says they refer to Jesus returning to earth, and these are Christian commentaries.
By fixed do you mean the idea of a self existing eternal Godhead? I think a self existing God is easier to understand than pantheism or naturalism.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God cannot resurrect because God cannot die.
I see evil as all we do that is not of God.
The Spiritual rule has commenced, how to live in this age has been taught, first by the example of Baha'u'llah.
The darkness or evil, is not living by that guidance.
Thus the future rule of One World Government will choose how much light they embrace.
Regards Tony
Why do you think that the One World Government will embrace the light of God? The Bible talks about the Antichrist going to war with Jesus.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
O planet earth status human scientific explanation vacuum. Mother of God held mass as form. Vacuum sucked out light ......burning of gas.
Gases released from O God earth body equalled male human scientific design. Forced earth gas mass conversion.
Law first one. The mother.
Statement the mother did not sacrifice the life his brother did. Scientist.
Criminal Jesus released instead holy Jesus.
Reason.
Unholy Jesus origin. Evil gas spirit. Scientific wisdom.
Real Jesus had become immaculate spirit highest term.
Sacrifice returned an evil Jesus let out of stone prison. The explanation after effect.
No man is God first explanation.
God is planet.
Never give God a name.
Then a descriptive analogy why.
Gases released from O God earth body equalled male human scientific design. Forced earth gas mass conversion.
Law first one. The mother.
Statement the mother did not sacrifice the life his brother did. Scientist.
Criminal Jesus released instead holy Jesus.
Reason.
Unholy Jesus origin. Evil gas spirit. Scientific wisdom.
Real Jesus had become immaculate spirit highest term.
Sacrifice returned an evil Jesus let out of stone prison. The explanation after effect.
No man is God first explanation.
God is planet.
Never give God a name.
Then a descriptive analogy why.
Why couldn't God incarnated die? For the sacrifice of Jesus to be meaningful, he had to become a man and go to the cross and die for our sins.
I believe it's assumed that those verses refer to the second coming of Jesus.
I'm not a believer, but if we share the same view of decency, respect and inclusion, that would seem to take care of the important matters.
Merry Christmas, while I'm here ─ a festival of universal goodwill to everyone is a great idea and a great ideal.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God did not have to becomes a man, and He didn't, because God cannot become a man.
All that was necessary for the sacrifice of Jesus to be meaningful was for Jesus to make the sacrifice, to sacrifice His life on earth and ascend to heaven. But by bringing Jesus back to life with the bodily resurrection, that negates the sacrifice and takes away its meaning. I mean if Jesus came back to life, what was the sacrifice?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Assumed only by you. Find me one Bible commentary that says that is what those verses refer to.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
I know. Some people talk like that. Like the JW's that come to my door. "Did you know God loves you? "Did you know God is love? Did you know God has a plan for your life?
It must seem peculiar to the Atheist trying to figure out why a certain percentage of so many people believe in a God that they cannot see. Have they been sent a strong delusion to believe a lie? Maybe the lie is on the other foot.
I don't think it's any fun to talk about.
I'm not looking forward to it.
I don't think it could be used to coerce people into being good, or into believing.
The actual smoke itself from their torment shall ascend forever and ever, but the lost are lost and gone forever, dreadful sorry Clementine. Their memory will remain, God will wipe away all of our our tears.
But where there's life, there's hope.
Paul said it's a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
But maybe at the last seconds of life there can still be a chance. Like when Dave was shutting down HAL, the human mind may cry out to the Lord, Lord help me.
The people who are alive when the Lord returns, will see blood and fire and columns of smoke. And whosoever shall call out on the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
You might not be called the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven at that point when you get there, blessed is the one who believes without seeing, but you'll still be greater than the greatest man born of a woman.
This is why I wonder if, at least some of the Atheists that come to this site, aren't in their own inadvertent way, seeking out God.
It's probably a good idea to seek Him while He may be found.
Don't wait until the neurotransmitters are misfiring due to the lack of arterial oxygenated blood cells.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Thanks
merry Christmas to you. You are a kind soul
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
The universal god, is the god of all religions including pagan religions