Are you proud to have The Bible as your holy book?

[Me Myself]

Dude, it´s simple. O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E I-T

blach, I´ll check tomorrow anything you have there with some space in between your points. Hopefully, there´ll be something.

 

[EnochSDP]

stop knick picking and debate or leave the thread!

 

[Me Myself]

stop knick picking and debate or leave the thread!

Your right to give me orders is as sacred as my right to dismiss them.

In any case, what I said stands.

 

[EnochSDP]

Your right to give me orders is as sacred as my right to dismiss them.

In any case, what I said stands.

1.In Isa 44:28-45:1 about 725 BC, It names Cyrus the Great,It says he will allow Jersualem to build thier temple and foundations will be laid.He will subdue nations.He will rise to power by the Lords will for his purpose.This was foretold two hundred years before Cyrus was born.Cyrus became to rule Persia in 559 BC.

2.Isa chapter 12-13 predicts the destrcution of Babylon 150 years before it was destroyed.

3.In the book of Daniel describes four empires, Babylon,Persia,Greece,and RomeThis was at the end of the Babylonian empire an start of the Persian empire before Greece or Rome was thought of.

4.In 1 Kings 13:2 it mentions king Josiah by name and tells about the actions on his life three hundred years before the King was born.

5.in Daniel 9:23-26 Daniel describes The ministry of Jesus, the destrcution of Jersualem and the rebuilding of it in latter times.That a decree would be given to allow the Jews to rebuild thier city and temple.And that the Messiah would be cut off and the temple destroyed again.

6.In 5BC a prophet named Zechariah declared the Messiah would betryed for the price of a slave and historians record Jesus was sold for thirty pieces of silver which was the rate for a slave then.32 years before Christ would be betrayed.

7.Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented King David and Zechariah describe the Messiah being crucified.In Psalm 22 and 34:20, Zech 12:10.
This is just a few.defute them!and post any that are as signifiant.

 

[beerisit]

6.In 5BC a prophet named Zechariah declared the Messiah would betryed for the price of a slave and historians record Jesus was sold for thirty pieces of silver which was the rate for a slave then.32 years before Christ would be betrayed.

Historians? Citation? BTW do you think the "historians" might have known about the prediction?

7.Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented King David and Zechariah describe the Messiah being crucified.In Psalm 22 and 34:20, Zech 12:10.
This is just a few.defute them!and post any that are as signifiant.

This dude Zechariah must have been bloody old in point #6

 

[rusra02]

Do you think it's a good book? Does it represent your faith accurately?

Finally forced myself to read it cover to cover, all 1,750 pgs of my KJV ebook, and it would be an understatement to say I'm not impressed. Probably 90% of it is either repetitive (practically word for word) or trivial (geneologies, measurements...)

I wonder how many times the Old Testament states that following the law will lead to you spreading your seed gloriously, and disobeying the law will lead to death by "the sword, pestilence, or famine," or in the New Testament that faith leads to eternal life and lack of faith leads to destruction. If you removed all repitition of those statements you'd probably cut the length of the bible in half.

There are some interesting stories and some pearls of wisdom, but most of the book is petty, is it not?

The Bible is a unique book, unlike any other. Written by some 40 different men spanning a 1,500 year period, the Bible presents a beautiful, harmonious, and coherent expression of God's will and purposes. Did you discern the many specific prophecies that have been unfailingly fulfilled? For just one example, the rise and fall of world powers prophesied in the Bible have occurred, just as foretold. God's means for saving mankind and sanctifying his Name is a consistent theme carried throughout the Bible. Despite being completed almost 2,000 years ago, the Bible is scientifically sound, and it's precepts far advanced regarding medicine, sanitation, etc.
Most important, we come to know the one true God, Jehovah, his personality and qualities. Far from being petty, Jehovah describes himself as "a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin." (Exodus 34:6,7)
To answer your question, yes, I am proud and grateful to have the Bible, "not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
One suggestion: The KJV was translated in 1611. In the 401 years since then, language changes and manuscript discoveries have rendered the KJ Bible out-of-date and archaic, and therefore difficult to read and understand. A modern translation faithfully translated can help us understand God's Word much more clearly.

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[beerisit]

The Bible is a unique book, unlike any other. Written by some 40 different men spanning a 1,500 year period, the Bible presents a beautiful, harmonious, and coherent expression of God's will and purposes. Did you discern the many specific prophecies that have been unfailingly fulfilled? For just one example, the rise and fall of world powers prophesied in the Bible have occurred, just as foretold. God's means for saving mankind and sanctifying his Name is a consistent theme carried throughout the Bible. Despite being completed almost 2,000 years ago, the Bible is scientifically sound, and it's precepts far advanced regarding medicine, sanitation, etc.
Most important, we come to know the one true God, Jehovah, his personality and qualities. Far from being petty, Jehovah describes himself as "a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin." (Exodus 34:6,7)
To answer your question, yes, I am proud and grateful to have the Bible, "not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
One suggestion: The KJV was translated in 1611. In the 401 years since then, language changes and manuscript discoveries have rendered the KJ Bible out-of-date and archaic, and therefore difficult to read and understand. A modern translation faithfully translated can help us understand God's Word much more clearly.

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Are you talking about your bible or The Bible?

 

[rusra02]

Are you talking about your bible or The Bible?

Any Bible that faithfully translates God's Word, including the KJ Bible. Problem with the KJ Bible is the archaic language and some translation errors. But it still contains God's Word.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Repetition was poetry to the Hebrews, you'll notice it is not like that in the New Testament

 

[sojourner]

Things were often repeated, because the transmission was originally oral, and repetition is a good tool for building memory. Additionally, different traditions told the same story in slightly different ways. Since the Bible is a library of books, it stands to reason that there will be some books that tell the same stories, just as in a modern library.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Do you think it's a good book? Does it represent your faith accurately?

Finally forced myself to read it cover to cover, all 1,750 pgs of my KJV ebook, and it would be an understatement to say I'm not impressed. Probably 90% of it is either repetitive (practically word for word) or trivial (geneologies, measurements...)

I wonder how many times the Old Testament states that following the law will lead to you spreading your seed gloriously, and disobeying the law will lead to death by "the sword, pestilence, or famine," or in the New Testament that faith leads to eternal life and lack of faith leads to destruction. If you removed all repitition of those statements you'd probably cut the length of the bible in half.

There are some interesting stories and some pearls of wisdom, but most of the book is petty, is it not?

Only answer for me can be, it is complicated.
I think for Jews, it is a life long endeavor to follow, or understand or try and implement the Torah and other books in some practical way in their lives, for the express purpose of being close to and right with their God. Unless the Jewish person is simply following the life style for other reasons, and happens to not believe in God at all.

For Christians, it is simpler, in that Jesus is the entirety and scope of most of what is in the bible. Example, that David was a archetype of Jesus, or the story of the flood and how the boat represented Jesus. Or how Jonah was 3 days in the belly, etc... There are many things that to a Christian simply point to a world that is full if sin, and only one way out of that world, which is proper faith in God.

So if it is all about "proper" faith with God, it then becomes complicated to define that. Is it simply accepting we are sinners, and need Jesus to get us right with God? Or are we sinners, and need the Torah and other books, and laws, to teach us how to get right with God through actions of our own?

As to the original point of this Thread, I am not sure one can read the bible once and think it is suppose to magically make sense. It is too dense and complicated for that. Though it is a great feat, and interesting to hear you did it.

Maybe next try The Stand by Stephen King, it is a long one as well

 

[arthra]

Do you think it's a good book? Does it represent your faith accurately?

Finally forced myself to read it cover to cover, all 1,750 pgs of my KJV ebook, and it would be an understatement to say I'm not impressed. Probably 90% of it is either repetitive (practically word for word) or trivial (geneologies, measurements...)

I wonder how many times the Old Testament states that following the law will lead to you spreading your seed gloriously, and disobeying the law will lead to death by "the sword, pestilence, or famine," or in the New Testament that faith leads to eternal life and lack of faith leads to destruction. If you removed all repitition of those statements you'd probably cut the length of the bible in half.

There are some interesting stories and some pearls of wisdom, but most of the book is petty, is it not?

No I think the 'ole Book is still "Good"!

6
For wisdom is a loving spirit; and will not acquit a
blasphemer of his words: for God is witness of his reins, and a
true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.

(Deuterocanonical Apocrypha, Wisdom)

26
That thy children, O Lord, whom thou lovest, might know, that
it is not the growing of fruits that nourisheth man: but that it
is thy word, which preserveth them that put their trust in thee.

(Deuterocanonical Apocrypha, Wisdom)

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Sure, but great books are anything but petty. That's why I'd expect more from such a revered book.

It is also assumed at least for Christians, that the meaning and purpose of God's books are foolishness to the "wise" of the world, and is only revealed to those who are truly broken.

1 Corinthians ch 1

1. [27] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

So in order to get anything from reading the Bible you need to study someone else's interpretation of it. Would like to hear some more believers' thoughts on this.

From a secular, purely literary point of view, this would be the case in most instances.
Concerning divine intervention however, this is not the case. If God wants a person's understanding to be enlightened, no scholar will be needed. I suspect this is more what you are thinking about when you discuss this.

My recommendation to you is this. Now that you have read the bible cover to cover. Get on your knees, talk to God, and say this, " God if you are real, show me." "If, you can only be found and understood by the words in this book, show me."

Tell God you want to understand the mysteries locked in the bible, tell him you have ZERO faith, but for some reason are compelled to understand why others do.

Then, get off you knees and open your bible. Start with Ephesians 1, and then go to Gospel of John Ch 1.

Do me one favor though, try very hard, at least humor me, when you do this reading of Ephesians, just try and assume that this Paul REALLY does know something from God, that he divinely has understanding and blessings from God, to teach us the mind of God.
Read each word slowly and with the expressed intent of hearing from God.

That's all the tricks I got for you. If that doesn't do anything for you, nothing will. Report what happened and how you felt, feel, etc...

If all else fails, you stay the same, or can investigate some other religions.

Great thready BTW!

 

[Skwim]

Are you proud to have The Bible as your holy book?

Why anyone would take pride in something that took no more effort to buy than a lawnmower?

 

[EnochSDP]

Historians? Citation? BTW do you think the "historians" might have known about the prediction?

This dude Zechariah must have been bloody old in point #6

I shouldve split david and zechariah.
Davids vision was 4oo years old.
Zechariah was decades before the Messiah.sorry.still true.
And yes historians and ceculars all agree by roman recording that Jesus was crucified and sold for thirty pieces of silver.

 

[EnochSDP]

Why anyone would take pride in something that took no more effort to buy than a lawnmower?

Wow it takes much study and knowledge to write 1 book.much more than buying a lawnmower.Then you have over 60 books all in different generations with 40 authors.If it is so easy to write and the knowledge is so bland.Why do not you write something more signifiant and important.You cant and no one can.
That comment is something to make you sound smart but it flat out dumb comment.

 

[Levite]

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I have heard others also say that one should believe first, then pray, and one will simply understand what the Bible means.

To me this seems hard to take seriously. I don't understand why this is any different than saying, "If you just believe, really really hard, you won't have to actually study physics or Japanese: if you can just have faith that you really know these things, you'll be fluent in Japanese and doing quantum equations in no time."

 

[EnochSDP]

I have heard others also say that one should believe first, then pray, and one will simply understand what the Bible means.

To me this seems hard to take seriously. I don't understand why this is any different than saying, "If you just believe, really really hard, you won't have to actually study physics or Japanese: if you can just have faith that you really know these things, you'll be fluent in Japanese and doing quantum equations in no time."

Though you miss that it is the Holy Spirit and God guliding you.As if you learned anything someone would help and guide you.Who else to guide you than the God you are believing?

 

[EnochSDP]

I have heard others also say that one should believe first, then pray, and one will simply understand what the Bible means.

To me this seems hard to take seriously. I don't understand why this is any different than saying, "If you just believe, really really hard, you won't have to actually study physics or Japanese: if you can just have faith that you really know these things, you'll be fluent in Japanese and doing quantum equations in no time."

But someone can read the Bible without faith and develop faith but it is harder.

 

[Levite]

Though you miss that it is the Holy Spirit and God guliding you.As if you learned anything someone would help and guide you.Who else to guide you than the God you are believing?

I guess this is just one of those times that our theologies are too different. Jews just don't believe that what we understand as holy spirit works that way; or that God works that way.