My faith teaches that no one is sinless. I have to agree with that since, even though I am a follower of Yeshua, I still make mistakes.
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Are you sinless?
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Mistakes are not sins.
Yes, they are, the mistakes I am speaking about.
I will clarify and say this: When I say mistakes, I mean things that I should have never have done.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Sinless? No. I don't believe anyone is sinless (or ever has been): it is the nature of human beings to err. Without exception.
But I do believe myself free of original sin, because I don't believe in original sin. I think everyone is free of original sin, because it doesn't exist. Nor does any kind of inherent or inherited sin.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Why be so hard on yourself, if you are one in God then whatever the mind does has nothing to do with God. The so called carnal mind will always be there, its part of the mind body organism, but your true self is not the mind body organism. Leave what belongs to the carnal world and concentrate on what is God, after all if you believe God forgives, then why call him a liar by feeling bad about what you call sin, its already forgiven and gone, again concentrate on who you truly are and not who you aren't.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
It seems to me that the concept of "original sin" may be a construct of the human mind. Whether it truly exists as an actually existing physical constraint on human beings, I don't know. Wikipedia, which may or may not be a reliable source with regard to this matter, has this to say:
"The concept of original sin was first alluded to in the 2nd century by Irenaeus."
"Other church fathers such as Augustine also developed the doctrine", seeing it as based on the New Testament teaching of Paul the Apostle(Romans 5:12–21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22) and the Old Testament verse of Psalm"
Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So we can see that their isn't just one concept for "original sin". Today's concepts of original sin are human constructs, and various human beings have constructed them differently. Otherwise, only one concept would exist. Today, various versions of this concept exist. It is clear when we read the scriptures that the writers were trying to convey something, but I would leave it up to the reader to decide for himself what the authors were trying to convey. I personally lean toward the view that is expressed by the Roman Catholic Church. I personally don't like the idea of being trapped in sin as the result of another man's sin. It doesn't seem fair to me. And so I don't believe that we are trapped in a state of sin. I believe that we are capable of overcoming sin. But I don't see anyone doing that. It seems we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, but I don't know why.
"The concept of original sin was first alluded to in the 2nd century by Irenaeus."
"Other church fathers such as Augustine also developed the doctrine", seeing it as based on the New Testament teaching of Paul the Apostle(Romans 5:12–21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22) and the Old Testament verse of Psalm"
Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So we can see that their isn't just one concept for "original sin". Today's concepts of original sin are human constructs, and various human beings have constructed them differently. Otherwise, only one concept would exist. Today, various versions of this concept exist. It is clear when we read the scriptures that the writers were trying to convey something, but I would leave it up to the reader to decide for himself what the authors were trying to convey. I personally lean toward the view that is expressed by the Roman Catholic Church. I personally don't like the idea of being trapped in sin as the result of another man's sin. It doesn't seem fair to me. And so I don't believe that we are trapped in a state of sin. I believe that we are capable of overcoming sin. But I don't see anyone doing that. It seems we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, but I don't know why.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Without your "book" how could you already know?
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Because God exists, and dwells in me.
You can't contradict Christine with any authority though, because there is no objective standard about what is sin. Some people think that me getting a little frisky with Doug is a huge sin, but beheading jounalists is not.
Some of us differ.
Tom
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Give me what ever kind of drug you like, and I will still know that God exists. Give me any drug you like, and God will still dwell in me.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Yes, very sure.