Aren’t we all really worshipping the same God?

[Spice]

I am also in absolute awe of many things in nature. However, it does have its dark side: animals eating other animals, broken bones, infections, cancer, earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, droughts.... all of these cause tremendous suffering and its not due to humans.

No, but they are a part of wonders in the circle of life. Accepting it and finding that awe in it all helps to bring peace to living this life -- conquering the world by exchanging fear for respect, especially of the uncontrollable.

 

[Valjean]

You don't see the evidence, because you think it was like a normal local small flood. By what the Bible tells, it was nothing like that. The whole thing started by braking the original single continent, which pieces sunk. One evidence for it is the modern continents.View attachment 89616

This is total nonsense 1213, as any geologist, physicist, or biologist will tell you. Such a flood would have left massive evidence, would have baked the planet, killed off all life, and would not have been physically possible.
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Bible and Jews are evidence for that. And that is quite lot, in comparison to anything else happening at that time.

The Bible is evidence of practically nothing.
The Jews? How are the Jews evidence of an Egyptian captivity? The Egyptians don't mention them, they aren't pictured, no neighboring peoples mention them, no Hebrew bodies or DNA have been found.

The number of Hebrews fleeing Egypt would, from the biblical narrative, been as large or larger than the total estimated Egyptian population at the time, yet no historical mention of it exists outside the Pentateuch, and Egyptian history continues with no apparent disruption.

Exile: Two and a half million + people living for forty years in the desert would have left a lot of archæological evidence -- there is none. Such evidence exists for smaller tribes, but none for a large Hebrew population.

 

[Valjean]

Again, that is purely your opinion.
If you claim it to be MORE than just your opinion, you effectively claim that the majority of people
are imbeciles.

It is not opinion. It is evidenced and accepted fact.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I will read them if I need to read them..

That is not what I said .. I said you couldn't CHOOSE to read them.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It is not opinion. It is evidenced and accepted fact.

Nonsense! Believers are not imbeciles.

 

[Valjean]

Nonsense! Believers are not imbeciles.

Depends how you define "imbecile." *Staff Edit*

Huge numbers of people have believed all sorts of legends and myths at different times and in different places. If your ad pop evidence held, they'd all be reasonable conclusions.
Your ad populum claim is not legitimate epistemic evidence.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Your ad populum claim is not legitimate epistemic evidence.

..and neither is your "appeal to authority"

 

[F1fan]

Nonsense! Believers are not imbeciles.

Abrahamic believers can range from dumb to intelligent, but in any event they don’t apply reasoning to their preferred religious ideas.

..and neither is your "appeal to authority"

See what I mean? You don’t understand what appeal to authority is, because he didn’t use that fallacy. The rules of logic work when they are learned and applied honestly.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Abrahamic believers can range from dumb to intelligent, but in any event they don’t apply reasoning to their preferred religious ideas..

How would you know that? You merely assume that that is the case.
You presumably assume that, as you can't see how anybody can reasonably accept evidence that you don't !

See what I mean? You don’t understand what appeal to authority is.

You merely try to belittle me with your accusations.
What is "one of your two different beliefs is evidenced and reasonable, the other is not.",
if not suggesting that "scientific authority says so" ?

 

[Valjean]

..and neither is your "appeal to authority"

The facts underlying the authority's beliefs are there for anyone to review, You, however, seem averse to researching the facts pertinent to the subject.
Are your opinions backed up by any actual evidence, or are they strictly faith-based?

 

[F1fan]

How would you know that? You merely assume that that is the case.

Sorry but we can all observe the range of intelligence of people who are religious believers.

You presumably assume that, as you can't see how anybody can reasonably accept evidence that you don't !

Evidence is available to anyone if it is valid. Religious claims notoriously lack valid evidence.

You merely try to belittle me with your accusations.
What is "one of your two different beliefs is evidenced and reasonable, the other is not.",
if not suggesting that "scientific authority says so" ?

Science and reason follows certain rules and it shows its work. More fervent believers tend to reject both science and reason.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

I don’t know what you’re getting at but I personally think that whatever ‘higher Being or Reality’ religious people pray to, it all seems to be the same mystical experience that everyone is experiencing except outwardly they express their worship differently. Some sit, others bow, others prostate while some pray to Christ, or Allah or Jehovah or Buddha or Krishna and so on. But inwardly aren’t they basically all doing the same thing?

Asking for health? Or prosperity?. Or to help solve a problem? All religionists do all these things. So aren’t they all inwardly addressing one and the same one Reality or God or Higher Intellect? It just seems way too much of a coincidence. It all looks the same to me only outwardly different.

Buddhists pray to ’something’. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Christians all pray to this ‘something’. What it is nobody knows except it is described as loving, merciful, compassionate and wants what is best for us but apart from a mystical experience none can describe in words what it is they are actually praying to because it’s a mystery to everyone yet they know it exists through inner perceptions not through the outward senses. I believe we are all connecting to the same Reality just that we aren’t aware of it.

Unfortunately the ego takes over then and we say things like the sun of Monday is true but the sun of Tuesday is false. This is the spiritual condition of those who worship names. But to those who worship truth all the days of the week have but one sun.

I want you to take a good, long look at the bolded, and apply it to your own attitude towards everyone who has given you a different answer to what YOU want to hear. People have told you and you outright dismissed them for the sake of your ego.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Sorry but we can all observe the range of intelligence of people who are religious believers.

As I said .. you feel superior.

Religious claims notoriously lack valid evidence..

No .. you are just so smart, you blind yourself.

Science and reason follows certain rules and it shows its work..

"science" does nothing .. it is merely a tool.
It can be used for good & bad reasons.

More fervent believers tend to reject both science and reason.

Maybe that's why you reject that which you dislike .. because you are a fervent disbeliever.

 

[CG Didymus]

This is rude. That is a judgment you impose on others because you think you are correct. Yet you avoid answering questions, and that suggests you have no actual knowledge.

I see the rejection of God as a self induced ignorance.

Although they will deny it, this is all about their religion and their prophet being the true ones for today. We know their "evidence". It is their prophet. He was a good guy, and he wrote a lot. They like what he says. It sounds good to them, so they believe it. Now their job is to "teach" the faith.

We know enough about their claims to have our questions and doubts about it being "The Truth". If we are "ignorant" of something beyond what they've already told us? What is it? Then there's this...

Bible stories are not evidence of anything definitive. Experts in geology don't back up the flood myth. Experts in biology don't back up the creation myth. Experts in cosmology don't back up the creation myth,

Born-Again Christians... Their God is not the same as the Baha'i God. Their beliefs are built upon their very literal interpretation of the Bible. Creation, the Flood, the resurrection, the way people become saved... all those things that those Christian believers "know" are true, which includes that their God is a Trinity, Baha'is say are all wrong.

And both of them will tell us that we are blind and ignorant of the truth?

 

[CG Didymus]

Unfortunately the ego takes over then and we say things like the sun of Monday is true but the sun of Tuesday is false. This is the spiritual condition of those who worship names. But to those who worship truth all the days of the week have but one sun.

I want you to take a good, long look at the bolded, and apply it to your own attitude towards everyone who has given you a different answer to what YOU want to hear. People have told you and you outright dismissed them for the sake of your ego

Who says that? No one I know. But that is a Baha'i analogy or metaphor or whatever it's called, to get people to think that God is like the Sun and just because we call the days by different names, it is still the same Sun.

But the God of one religion isn't the same. When a religion calls their God by a different name it's for a reason. Their God has different characteristics and does different things and expects different things from his followers.

 

[muhammad_isa]

When a religion calls their God by a different name it's for a reason. Their God has different characteristics and does different things and expects different things from his followers.

That would be an ignorant reason.
The MAIN reason, would be the various different languages that we speak.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is not what I said .. I said you couldn't CHOOSE to read them.

Yeah, if there is no need, it would not come to your mind to read them. Need creates the desire and that cannot be avoided.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That would be an ignorant reason.
The MAIN reason, would be the various different languages that we speak.

Sorry, no. That makes no sense.

 

[1213]

This is total nonsense 1213, as any geologist, physicist, or biologist will tell you. Such a flood would have left massive evidence, would have baked the planet, killed off all life, and would not have been physically possible.

We have massive evidence, the modern continents, massive sediment formations, oil, gas and coal fields, marine fossils on mountain areas...

It would not have baked the planet, because the water cooled the planet and also made the movements softer. Think for example if you would throw a stone to Mariana Trench, it would not hit the bottom of it with same speed as in the case of same distance in the air. Water lubricates and makes things smoother. That is why there was not too high temperatures. But, obviousness there was also heat generated, hence the 40 days of rain.

How are the Jews evidence of an Egyptian captivity? The Egyptians don't mention them, they aren't pictured, no neighboring peoples mention them, no Hebrew bodies or DNA have been found.

How could they mention it? If Bible is true, those who could have told the story drowned, or were otherwise killed. What you says is basically the same as saying, U.S. didn't use nuclear bombs, because no one who died to the bombs wrote anything about the event.

The number of Hebrews fleeing Egypt would, from the biblical narrative, been as large or larger than the total estimated Egyptian population at the time, yet no historical mention of it exists outside the Pentateuch, and Egyptian history continues with no apparent disruption.

Where do you get the number of the Jews?

By what I see, Egyptian history is not continuous trough every year. however, I also think there is evidence for Jews. For example Senmut was probably Moses. Also the Joseph Stone seems to be talking about the same matters. However, were Jews called Jews in the time of Moses? Would Egyptians have called them Jews? I don't think so, therefore it can be difficult to notice anything from Egyptian history.

Exile: Two and a half million + people living for forty years in the desert would have left a lot of archæological evidence -- there is none. Such evidence exists for smaller tribes, but none for a large Hebrew population.

Why would it leave traces? What traces you think it should leave? Missing iPhones all over the desert? Please be reasonable.

 

[1213]

Bible stories are not evidence of anything definitive. Experts in geology don't back up the flood myth. Experts in biology don't back up the creation myth. Experts in cosmology don't back up the creation myth, neither version. Experts in genetics and migration of humans don't back up the post flood myth. And experts in various fields of science don't back up the Exodus story.

Experts can be wrong and often have been wrong. I don't care if a person is called an expert, if he can't back up his claims with logic and reason.