Argh! Child Brides now Legal for Muslims in Germany and Denmark

[columbus]

Should refugees and their social networks be rent asunder when they flee an untenable situation?

Should dysfunctional and abusive relationships be given a pass because the culture they come from is melting down?
No, I don't think so.
I want to see the girls given an informed option.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Re-education is an option -- if you can pull it off.

Why couldn't that be done? The host countries have a good deal of leverage. From holding up benefits to deportation the immigrants can insist on having things their way, but they can also be booted out.
Tom

 

[icehorse]

SF and Iti -

Even demagogues get it right sometimes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37518289

 

[Valjean]

Why couldn't that be done? The host countries have a good deal of leverage. From holding up benefits to deportation the immigrants can insist on having things their way, but they can also be booted out.
Tom

Sometimes it's not that easy. People aren't rational. Few rebel against the norms and values of their culture. If a woman has accepted the fact that women marry soon after menarche; that this is normal, proper and honorable; wouldn't it be expected that she'd rebel against a foreign agent attempting to break up her family and return her to child status?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

SF and Iti -

Even demagogues get it right sometimes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37518289

Thank you.

 

[columbus]

Sometimes it's not that easy. People aren't rational. Few rebel against the norms and values of their culture. If a woman has accepted the fact that women marry soon after menarche; that this is normal, proper and honorable; wouldn't it not be expected that she'd rebel against a foreign agent attempting to break up her family and return her to child status?

I am not making the wife do anything. I am just making sure that she has the options available to her, and that she knows about them. Just like European girls have from birth.
That's how we do things here in secular western countries and the Muslims who want to come here have to do things our way.
Tom

 

[George-ananda]

Both Germany and Denmark have recently altered their laws to allow Muslim men with child brides to legally immigrate. Argh!

Are there any cultural values these governments won't compromise on? Do the politicians in these countries have any morals at all? This is truly horrific.

Well in defense of this, the marriages are already consummated and the bride's future stands a better chance in a westernized country than in an Islamic country.

 

[idav]

Sometimes it's not that easy. People aren't rational. Few rebel against the norms and values of their culture. If a woman has accepted the fact that women marry soon after menarche; that this is normal, proper and honorable; wouldn't it not be expected that she'd rebel against a foreign agent attempting to break up her family and return her to child status?

It wouldn't surprise me if some young people marry to get out of the country they are fleeing. Harsh times call for desperate measures. Still may not be legal once they cross borders.

 

[icehorse]

Sometimes it's not that easy. People aren't rational. Few rebel against the norms and values of their culture. If a woman has accepted the fact that women marry soon after menarche; that this is normal, proper and honorable; wouldn't it not be expected that she'd rebel against a foreign agent attempting to break up her family and return her to child status?

Would you make the same argument for someone who became a slave at an early age?

 

[icehorse]

It wouldn't surprise me if some young people marry to get out of the country they are fleeing. Harsh times call for desperate measures. Still may not be legal once they cross borders.

In which case, if the "husband" is honorable, he would have the marriage annulled at the border of his new country.

 

[Revoltingest]

In some cultures social roles and options are rigidly defined. It isn't 'fair', but it's the social norm; accepted by everyone, including the "victim."
Within the culture it's functional, and there are no alternatives open.

Should refugees and their social networks be rent asunder when they flee an untenable situation?

Sometimes, yes.
There are limits.

 

[Kemosloby]

EU laws trumping national laws. Welcome to globalism and the new world order.

 

[buddhist]

Should refugees and their social networks be rent asunder when they flee an untenable situation?

Either 1. the enemy infiltrators and their foreign doctrines should be rejected and expelled; or 2. the existing native population must concede to enemy subjugation and accept and embrace their doctrines. No other option is available, unless the intent is to fracture and destroy a formerly sovereign nation.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Both Germany and Denmark have recently altered their laws to allow Muslim men with child brides to legally immigrate. Argh!

Are there any cultural values these governments won't compromise on? Do the politicians in these countries have any morals at all? This is truly horrific.

1) Since ancient times, politicians in their majority haven't been the most moral of people. This is not at all surprising.

2) I'd allow it as well, but only on the condition that the right to divorce is immediately given to the child, along with the ability to enter protective services.

 

[buddhist]

No, we cannot give an inch. We cannot budge on our values. We can find other solutions, but we cannot codify such behavior.

However unacceptable relationships are handled under Muslim governments, perhaps Germany and Denmark should do likewise.

 

[icehorse]

However unacceptable relationships are handled under Muslim governments, perhaps Germany and Denmark should do likewise.

Can you rephrase that, I could take your sentence more than one way?...

 

[buddhist]

Can you rephrase that, I could take your sentence more than one way?...

Western nations should ban Islam just like most Islamic nations ban and persecute pretty much anything besides Islam.

 

[Sakeenah]

Both Germany and Denmark have recently altered their laws to allow Muslim men with child brides to legally immigrate. Argh!

Are there any cultural values these governments won't compromise on? Do the politicians in these countries have any morals at all? This is truly horrific.

Germany and Denmark haven't altered their law or compromised their morals.

According to their law and majority of the European countries the age of consent is 14-16. The age of consent in Germany is 14 and in Denmark it's 15.

According to the BBC article you posted, the official confusion is reflected in one reported case in Germany a 15-year-old Syrian girl married to her 21-year-old cousin.
If they wouldn't have been married but were in a relationship it would have been legal. And I wonder if you would be okay with it?

I don't think 14/15 year old girls marrying is a good idea but this thread is hypocritical and reminds me of " muslims are taking over our countries " rants.

 

[icehorse]

age of consent

The legal age of consent is different than the legal age to get married.

 

[Sakeenah]

The legal age of consent is different than the legal age to get married.

I know..

Would you be okay with a 14 year old girl being in a intimate relationship with a 21 year old guy?