Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[ElishaElijah]

Firstly, the number of people who regret transitioning after a full medical transition is vanishingly small compared to the number of people it helps.

Secondly, do you or do you not understand the different between sex and gender?

Sure I do, sex determines whether a person is a male or female. Simple

 

[Scott C.]

Arkansas State House Republicans Pass Bill Allowing Creationism in Science Class

These children will have a lot of catching up to do when they leave school and join to the real world.

In public schools, children should be taught what science leads us to believe about the creation of the earth. A teacher should never explicitly state or imply that there is no God or that God did not create the world. I'm more concerned about teachers intentionally trying to destory faith than I am about them teaching science. I can teach my kids at home what I believe about God and creation and how I marry that with science.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you cared about what’s true you wouldn’t dismiss personal testimony when it results in a changed life, over a number of years. My testimony and experience with God is a common experience for millions of people around the world and has been consistent for thousands of years. Written in Scripture and memoirs.

There are also lots of people with personal experiences that turned them to atheism, or turned them away from one religion to another. The sheer mass of conflicting personal testimonies clearly demonstrates that individual experience does to not equate to facts. If seven billion people all experience the same delusion, it doesn't make it no longer a delusion. You have to demonstrate that it is something more than that.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Don’t care what you do with the information.

You have yet to present any information.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Sure I do, sex determines whether a person is a male or female. Simple

False. Gender has always been defined as a social construct that is distinct from biological sex. Yet more lies you wish to spread.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

In public schools, children should be taught what science leads us to believe about the creation of the earth. A teacher should never explicitly state or imply that there is no God or that God did not create the world. I'm more concerned about teachers intentionally trying to destory faith than I am about them teaching science. I can teach my kids at home what I believe about God and creation and how I marry that with science.

Nobody is saying that teachers should imply God isn't responsible for creating the world. Any mention of God in any form is outside the remit of science education. They should not be teaching one way or the other.

 

[ElishaElijah]

False. Gender has always been defined as a social construct that is distinct from biological sex. Yet more lies you wish to spread.

Doesn’t matter what you think of yourself in social construct, if you have male anatomy you will always be a male, female anatomy you are a female. This won’t change, science confirms this. When a person dies no matter what they’ve done to their body when an autopsy is done they can tell if you were a male or female.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Doesn’t matter what you think of yourself in social construct, if you have male anatomy you will always be a male, female anatomy you are a female.

Once again, you are confusing sex and gender.

Why do you not understand that these are two different things? When you see a large person with a beard in the street, do you refuse to assume that they are male until you investigate their genitals? How many people whose gentials have you had to investigate before you refer to them as male or female?

This won’t change, science confirms this.

Science confirms that biological sex and gender aren't the same thing, and somebody can be biologically male while still gendered female.

Science is absolutely against you on this.

When a person dies no matter what they’ve done to their body when an autopsy is done they can tell if you were a male or female.

Biologically, yes. You cannot however tell what their gender identity was, because gender is a social construct, not a biological trait.

I have already said this. How do you not get it?

 

[ElishaElijah]

There are also lots of people with personal experiences that turned them to atheism, or turned them away from one religion to another. The sheer mass of conflicting personal testimonies clearly demonstrates that individual experience does to not equate to facts. If seven billion people all experience the same delusion, it doesn't make it no longer a delusion. You have to demonstrate that it is something more than that.

You falsely say delusion without any evidence, you would have to some investigating like looking into the lives of people making the claims. If you were serious I could introduce you to my family and the people who knew me before I received Jesus Christ and after. Not one person denies my testimony that knows me. Only unbelievers like yourself and the Bible describes why you cannot comprehend the Truth.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Science confirms that biological sex and gender aren't the same thing, and somebody can be biologically male while still gendered female.

This is where you are completely wrong, you can make up terms all day long and still doesn’t make it true. Science doesn’t determine gender in the sense that you are using. Biology determines whether a person is male or female

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You falsely say delusion without any evidence, you would have to some investigating like looking into the lives of people making the claims.

I didn't say that belief in God WAS a delusion, I was making the point that if seven billion people BELIEVE a delusion (of any kind) that doesn't make that delusion real. Belief in God COULD fall into that category, unless you can categorically demonstrate that belief in God is not a delusion, which nobody has ever been able to do in all of human history (that I am aware of).

If you were serious I could introduce you to my family and the people who knew me before I received Jesus Christ and after. Not one person denies my testimony that knows me. Only unbelievers like yourself and the Bible describes why you cannot comprehend the Truth.

This is just more personal testimony. I can do the exact same thing for my friend who was raised in a strict, religious household and eventually became an atheist. It proves nothing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

This is where you are completely wrong, you can make up terms all day long and still doesn’t make it true.

This isn't made up. Go look up the definition of "gender". For as long as the term has been applied to people, it has specifically related to the SOCIAL CONSTRUCT of gender, divorced from biological sex.

Science doesn’t determine gender in the sense that you are using. Biology determines whether a person is male or female

There is a lot of science on gender, actually. Gender identity and gender expression have been researched extensively for decades.

Also, you failed to answer my question. If gender is entirely determined by biology, then how can you possibly make any assessment on what gender to refer to people as without investigating their anatomy personally?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Biologically, yes. You cannot however tell what their gender identity was, because gender is a social construct, not a biological trait.

I have already said this. How do you not get it?

I understand what you are saying and don’t agree, it’s false. Biology determines whether a person is male or female and our society doesn’t understand that there is a wide spectrum as far as social construct of male or a female and what that means to be a man or woman. Just because a boy doesn’t like sports and is more sensitive or artistic doesn’t make him any less male.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I understand what you are saying and don’t agree, it’s false.

Then you're wrong, and you very clearly don't understand it. It's really very simple:

Sex = a biological characteristic.
Gender = a social construct whereby certain expectations and roles are assigned, often linked to - but not contingent on - biological sex.

This really isn't that hard to get. When you pass a person on the street, you often assign a gender to them based on their appearance, despite the fact that you are yet to investigate that person's anatomy or biology. Every time you do this, it is you assigning GENDER, not sex. We ever do this for inanimate objects. When you look at a Ken doll, you brain associates the doll with male characteristics despite the fact that it is a lump of plastic and has no genitals. You do this becuase you have certain social expectations of how males are generally supposed to look or dress or be presented, and when you see those characteristics you assign a GENDER IDENTITY using that input.

It's how you're able to decipher that Homer Simpson - a drawing on celluloid with no biological characteristics whatsoever - is a man, and his wife, Marge is a woman. If you are able to assign gender roles to cartoon characters, you must admit that gender is NOT purely biological, but is entirely divorced from biology.

Biology determines whether a person is male or female and our society doesn’t understand that there is a wide spectrum as far as social construct of male or a female and what that means to be a man or woman.

What society understands doesn't change the facts. Sex and gender are different things, and biology does not determine gender. These are scientific facts.

Just because a boy doesn’t like sports and is more sensitive or artistic doesn’t make him any less male.

Correct. Why would it?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Then you're wrong, and you very clearly don't understand it. It's really very simple:

Sex = a biological characteristic.
Gender = a social construct whereby certain expectations and roles are assigned, often linked to - but not contingent on - biological sex.

This really isn't that hard to get. When you pass a person on the street, you often assign a gender to them based on their appearance, despite the fact that you are yet to investigate that person's anatomy or biology. Every time you do this, it is you assigning GENDER, not sex. We ever do this for inanimate objects. When you look at a Ken doll, you brain associates the doll with male characteristics despite the fact that it is a lump of plastic and has no genitals.


What society understands doesn't change the facts. Sex and gender are different things, and biology does not determine gender. These are scientific facts.


Correct. Why would it?

Then stop telling boys they are girls in the wrong body and girls they are boys in the wrong body.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Then stop telling boys they are girls in the wrong body and girls they are boys in the wrong body.

Do you honestly believe that we are telling children that they have gender dysphoria becuase they just happen to be sensitive and/or like or dislike sports?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you honestly believe that we are telling children that they have gender dysphoria becuase they just happen to be sensitive and/or like or dislike sports?

Not exactly but going the way you are is wrong and perverted. Won’t work

 

[Altfish]

In public schools, children should be taught what science leads us to believe about the creation of the earth. A teacher should never explicitly state or imply that there is no God or that God did not create the world. I'm more concerned about teachers intentionally trying to destory faith than I am about them teaching science. I can teach my kids at home what I believe about God and creation and how I marry that with science.

Pupils should be taught to use facts to make up their own mind.
Science and religion are two different subjects, In science lessons, religion is irrelevant, so should not be mentioned. BUT if a pupil asks the teacher (say) "Did life start in the Garden of Eden", the teacher must honestly respond along the lines of, "There is no evidence to support that and there is much evidence to the contrary"

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Not exactly but going the way you are is wrong and perverted. Won’t work

What's wrong and perverted about helping children with a psychological condition by using a treatment that is proven to reduce their likelihood of future mental health problems and decrease their suicide rate?

 

[ElishaElijah]

What's wrong and perverted about helping children with a psychological condition by using a treatment that is proven to reduce their likelihood of future mental health problems and decrease their suicide rate?

Please describe this supposed proven treatment and how this helps children. What are the root causes of this psychological condition?