Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[ElishaElijah]

ROTFLMAO

You claim that "without the Spirit" that we can not understand the Bible and yet here you are .. doing what exactly?
I mean, if there is no way for us to understand what you are talking about, why are you wasting your breath talking about it?

Thanks and glad we are done

 

[McBell]

Thanks and glad we are done

I doubt it.
You seem to have to have the last word.
And it matters not to you how bad that last word makes you look.

 

[ecco]

Harvey Weinstein was found to have had inappropriate relations with several women. Our legal/moral system did not think he was a righteous person. It put him in jail.

Lot offered his virgin daughters to a mob. Your God found this action in keeping with what a righteous person would do. Your God did not punish Lot. Your God rewarded Lot.

What was it you wanted me to admit?

#1217

This #1217?

I was dealing with one example at a time and addressed the first one. When you admit you were wrong about God and He didn’t have anything to do with Lot offering his daughters and that you slandered God by your comments on this situation then I will gladly move on and answer the next one.

I already showed, as have others, that your God approved of Lot's offering up his daughters to be raped by the mob. The proof thereof is that your God, after the rape offering, still felt Lot was righteous. If you offered your daughters to a mob to be raped, would you feel righteous? Or would you be ashamed and embarrassed and feeling worthless? Most fathers would rather die than do what Lot did. Your God, "our father who art in heaven", said Lot was righteous. He wasn't. He was worse than a disgusting coward.

So now, please address...

• God and Moses ordering the rounding up of all the young virgin daughters of the fallen army and giving them to the victorious soldiers.
• God and Moses ordering the killing of the sons wives and mothers of the fallen army's soldiers.

Your copout is too obvious. You won't answer because you would have to really twist your brain into knots to try to justify your God's horrendous war crimes - rape and genocide.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This #1217?

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I already showed, as have others, that your God approved of Lot's offering up his daughters to be raped by the mob. The proof thereof is that your God, after the rape offering, still felt Lot was righteous. If you offered your daughters to a mob to be raped, would you feel righteous? Or would you be ashamed and embarrassed and feeling worthless? Most fathers would rather die than do what Lot did. Your God, "our father who art in heaven", said Lot was righteous. He wasn't. He was worse than a disgusting coward.

So now, please address...

• God and Moses ordering the rounding up of all the young virgin daughters of the fallen army and giving them to the victorious soldiers.
• God and Moses ordering the killing of the sons wives and mothers of the fallen army's soldiers.

Your copout is too obvious. You won't answer because you would have to really twist your brain into knots to try to justify your God's horrendous war crimes - rape and genocide.

When unbelievers try to understand Scripture and end up slobbering all over themselves.

 

[ecco]

This is a false statement and premise, will explain one more time and then that’s it.

You can explain all you want to. But you cannot explain away the fact, according to your holy scriptures, your God felt Lot was righteous even after he offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a mob.
If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

Stop the hypocrisy.

Lot was considered righteous but to say God approved of Lots decision in this situation is false and proved by the angels saving them.

You can explain all you want to. But you cannot explain away the fact, according to your holy scriptures, your God felt Lot was righteous even after he offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a mob.
If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

Stop the hypocrisy.

If you’re going to make a example using Harvey Weinstein then it’s more like the perverted Sodomites and the Hollywood and political enablers

1 Timothy 1:10
fornicators, sodomites, slave-dealers, liars and false witnesses; and for whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching​

Lot was worse than the sodomites. They dealt in nameless, faceless slaves. Lot offered up his own virgin daughters. His Own Virgin Daughters. And not just for a paid quickie, but to be gang-raped by an angry mob. And after that, your God thought so highly of Lot that when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he saved Lot and his daughters.

Would you be so accepting of your son if he did that to your granddaughters?

 

[ElishaElijah]

This #1217?

​

I already showed, as have others, that your God approved of Lot's offering up his daughters to be raped by the mob. The proof thereof is that your God, after the rape offering, still felt Lot was righteous. If you offered your daughters to a mob to be raped, would you feel righteous? Or would you be ashamed and embarrassed and feeling worthless? Most fathers would rather die than do what Lot did. Your God, "our father who art in heaven", said Lot was righteous. He wasn't. He was worse than a disgusting coward.

So now, please address...

• God and Moses ordering the rounding up of all the young virgin daughters of the fallen army and giving them to the victorious soldiers.
• God and Moses ordering the killing of the sons wives and mothers of the fallen army's soldiers.

Your copout is too obvious. You won't answer because you would have to really twist your brain into knots to try to justify your God's horrendous war crimes - rape and genocide.

You can explain all you want to. But you cannot explain away the fact, according to your holy scriptures, your God felt Lot was righteous even after he offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a mob.
If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

Stop the hypocrisy.



You can explain all you want to. But you cannot explain away the fact, according to your holy scriptures, your God felt Lot was righteous even after he offered up his virgin daughters to be raped by a mob.
If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

Stop the hypocrisy.

1 Timothy 1:10
fornicators, sodomites, slave-dealers, liars and false witnesses; and for whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching​

Lot was worse than the sodomites. They dealt in nameless, faceless slaves. Lot offered up his own virgin daughters. His Own Virgin Daughters. And not just for a paid quickie, but to be gang-raped by an angry mob. And after that, your God thought so highly of Lot that when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he saved Lot and his daughters.

Would you be so accepting of your son if he did that to your granddaughters?

You would’ve been part of the mob

 

[ElishaElijah]

@ecco
People are considered righteous in God’s eyes because they believe God and walk in fellowship with Him, not because they are perfect and make the right decisions all the time.

 

[ecco]

When unbelievers try to understand Scripture and end up slobbering all over themselves.

Scripture is written so that a sixth-grader can understand it. It's very clear. Examples:
In more modern English...from the NLT

Genesis 19
8Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do with them as you wish.

Numbers 31
17So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. 18Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
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What's not to understand?

Of course, most sixth-graders don't get to see these verses in Sunday School or Bible Study. They would raise embarrassing questions like, "How can god be so mean?"

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[ecco]

You would’ve been part of the mob

Why can't/won't you answer: If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why can't/won't you answer: If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

That particular act wouldn’t be righteous but that doesn’t disqualify someone from being righteous. So you’re going to judge someone’s whole life by that one act?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why can't/won't you answer: If your son did that with your granddaughters, would you call him a righteous man?

How about we expose the skeletons in your closet and judge you by those?

 

[ecco]

@ecco
People are considered righteous in God’s eyes because they believe God and walk in fellowship with Him, not because they are perfect and make the right decisions all the time.

Yeh, that's part of the problem.

1. Do evil stuff like offer up your daughters to a mob.
2. Believe god.
3. Be considered righteous.

There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to do good.
There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to not be evil.

And you wonder why our Founding Fathers wanted a big wall between church and state.

So, if your bible-believing son prostituted your granddaughters, you would be accepting of that! Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[ecco]

That particular act wouldn’t be righteous but that doesn’t disqualify someone from being righteous. So you’re going to judge someone’s whole life by that one act?

It depends on the act. My son prostituting my granddaughters? Yes, I would judge him on that one act. But you still refuse to answer. Why?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yeh, that's part of the problem.

1. Do evil stuff like offer up your daughters to a mob.
2. Believe god.
3. Be considered righteous.

There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to do good.
There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to not be evil.

And you wonder why our Founding Fathers wanted a big wall between church and state.

So, if your bible-believing son prostituted your granddaughters, you would be accepting of that! Please tell me I'm wrong.

What it means is if God judged everyone like you do, no one would have any hope because we have all done evil things.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It depends on the act. My son prostituting my granddaughters? Yes, I would judge him on that one act. But you still refuse to answer. Why?

What about you having sex with a prostitute?

 

[ElishaElijah]

There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to do good.
There really is no reason for a person who believes in your God to not be evil.

There is every reason to do good and you actually want to after being forgiven of all your sins, being adopted into God’s family, given the Holy Spirit and an inheritance that will never go away. Why would I want to do evil after receiving all this from God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You would’ve been part of the mob

Oh my! So backwards.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

There is every reason to do good and you actually want to after being forgiven of all your sins, being adopted into God’s family, given the Holy Spirit and an inheritance that will never go away. Why would I want to do evil after receiving all this from God?

But you could potentially be evil and do horrible things all your life, then get forgiven on your deathbed, then get eternal reward without ever having done a single nice thing in your life. Right?

 

[ElishaElijah]

But you could potentially be evil and do horrible things all your life, then get forgiven on your deathbed, then get eternal reward without ever having done a single nice thing in your life. Right?

The absolute worst sin a person can commit is rejecting Jesus Christ and what He has done for us. What you described is a possibility but another possibility is that a person can reject Jesus Christ all their life, live an evil life like you describe and end up with a hard heart and curse God instead of repent. Understand this...Jesus Christ is righteous and perfect, we aren’t. No one is getting eternal life based on their merit. Eternal life is based on Jesus Christ and His righteousness. He did what we couldn’t.

 

[McBell]

The absolute worst sin a person can commit is rejecting Jesus Christ and what He has done for us. What you described is a possibility but another possibility is that a person can reject Jesus Christ all their life, live an evil life like you describe and end up with a hard heart and curse God instead of repent. Understand this...Jesus Christ is righteous and perfect, we aren’t. No one is getting eternal life based on their merit. Eternal life is based on Jesus Christ and His righteousness. He did what we couldn’t.

That is a rather long winded "Yes"...