Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[ImmortalFlame]

The absolute worst sin a person can commit is rejecting Jesus Christ and what He has done for us. What you described is a possibility but another possibility is that a person can reject Jesus Christ all their life, live an evil life like you describe and end up with a hard heart and curse God instead of repent. Understand this...Jesus Christ is righteous and perfect, we aren’t. No one is getting eternal life based on their merit. Eternal life is based on Jesus Christ and His righteousness. He did what we couldn’t.

So, a person can do terrible things all their life, never do a single good thing for anyone, be a child murdering rapist, and get to go to heaven and live in peace forever because they repented on their deathbed.

Meanwhile, a person who lives their entire life doing good for people, working for charity, building homes, feeding the poor, aiding the sick, and go their whole life never harming anybody, but they go to hell forever because they either never accepted Jesus as their saviour, or had the misfortune to be born into the wrong religion.

A god that would allow that system to exist cannot, by definition, be righteous. In fact, quite the opposite. The God and Jesus you are describing are absolutely and totally evil.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That is a rather long winded "Yes"...

Just trying to avoid a 2 month long discussion, if possible.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So, a person can do terrible things all their life, never do a single good thing for anyone, be a child murdering rapist, and get to go to heaven and live in peace forever because they repented on their deathbed.

Meanwhile, a person who lives their entire life doing good for people, working for charity, building homes, feeding the poor, aiding the sick, and go their whole life never harming anybody, but they go to hell forever because they either never accepted Jesus as their saviour, or had the misfortune to be born into the wrong religion.

A god that would allow that system to exist cannot, by definition, be righteous. In fact, quite the opposite. The God and Jesus you are describing are absolutely and totally evil.

You’re beating up your strawman god again with that example. Let me tell you though, God is righteous and everyone will get to plead their case to Him. Every mouth will be stopped.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You’re beating up your strawman god again with that example. Let me tell you though, God is righteous and everyone will get to plead their case to Him. Every mouth will be stopped.

So God is not the God the Bible. Interesting.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You’re beating up your strawman god again with that example. Let me tell you though, God is righteous and everyone will get to plead their case to Him. Every mouth will be stopped.

How is it a strawman? You said that's what God does.

 

[ElishaElijah]

How is it a strawman? You said that's what God does.

Your example isn’t going to happen and everyone gets judged fairly. Everyone’s motives and actions will be judged in truth. The thing is you’ve heard the gospel and the question is what is your decision not a hypothetical concerning someone else.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Your example isn’t going to happen and everyone gets judged fairly. Everyone’s motives and actions will be judged in truth. The thing is you’ve heard the gospel and the question is what is your decision not a hypothetical concerning someone else.

This isn't a hypothetical. Paedophiles, rapists and murderers on their deathbeds in prison convert all the time, and good people die every day that don't believe in Jesus.

Regardless, even if there were NO examples of either of the above, the simple fact that your God would allow such a possibility to exist is absolute proof that your God is evil.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This isn't a hypothetical. Paedophiles, rapists and murderers on their deathbeds in prison convert all the time, and good people die every day that don't believe in Jesus.

Regardless, even if there were NO examples of either of the above, the simple fact that your God would allow such a possibility to exist is absolute proof that your God is evil.

You mean merciful and what you cannot understand is every single person is capable of doing the most horrendous acts. You seem to be ok setting yourself up as a righteous person and judge of God. You don’t have close to the wisdom, knowledge or understanding to make such a judgement. Salvation is based on what Jesus has done not what anyone else has done, otherwise no one could be saved.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You mean merciful and what you cannot understand is every single person is capable of doing the most horrendous acts.

Which has no relevance whatsoever when determining whether a person deserves punishment or reward. We determine that by what they ACTUALLY do, not by what they COULD do.

You seem to be ok setting yourself up as a righteous person and judge of God.

Which is exactly the same as you are doing. You judge God as righteous.

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You don’t have close to the wisdom, knowledge or understanding to make such a judgement.

I am wise enough to know that it is morally wrong to torture someone forever for no good reason, and to reward someone with eternal paradise despite them doing incredible harm and never making up for it. If your God does not agree with this, then your God is not a moral agent. They're just a tyrant.

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Salvation is based on what Jesus has done not what anyone else has done, otherwise no one could be saved.

Hence why paedophiles get to live forever in paradise while the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust must burn forever.

If I had to believe in a God, I'd believe in one with better moral character than that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which has no relevance whatsoever when determining whether a person deserves punishment or reward. We determine that by what they ACTUALLY do, not by what they COULD do.

No one deserves eternal life unless they are perfect and have never sinned in thought or deed. God is that Holy.

 

[McBell]

No one deserves eternal life unless they are perfect and have never sinned in thought or deed. God is that Holy.

So then, how long does one remain hell?
I mean, it is not eternal unless one is perfect, right?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which is exactly the same as you are doing. You judge God as righteous.

How do you figure? I have no righteousness of my own, the righteousness I have is because Jesus Christ imputed his to me through the Gospel.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am wise enough to know that it is morally wrong to torture someone forever for no good reason, and to reward someone with eternal paradise despite them doing incredible harm and never making up for it. If your God does not agree with this, then your God is not a moral agent. They're just a tyrant.

For no good reason? You’ve sinned and rebelled against God and judged Him as evil. Then you reject the King of Kings who died for you so you could have eternal life.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which has no relevance whatsoever when determining whether a person deserves punishment or reward. We determine that by what they ACTUALLY do, not by what they COULD do.


Which is exactly the same as you are doing. You judge God as righteous.


I am wise enough to know that it is morally wrong to torture someone forever for no good reason, and to reward someone with eternal paradise despite them doing incredible harm and never making up for it. If your God does not agree with this, then your God is not a moral agent. They're just a tyrant.


Hence why paedophiles get to live forever in paradise while the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust must burn forever.

If I had to believe in a God, I'd believe in one with better moral character than that.

Now you know everyone’s spiritual state and standing before God who died in the Holocaust. I don’t and neither do you but God will judge everyone righteously, there will be no doubt on that Day when everyone’s secrets will be revealed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one deserves eternal life unless they are perfect and have never sinned in thought or deed. God is that Holy.

But you have and still do. Some Christians do make serious errors when it comes to interpreting their Bibles. Sadly they are often the "least Christian" of all Christians.

 

[ecco]

Yeh, that's part of the problem.

1. Do evil stuff like offer up your daughters to a mob.
2. Believe god.
3. Be considered righteous.

What it means is if God judged everyone like you do, no one would have any hope because we have all done evil things.

That's a ridiculous, nonsensical comment.

But, once again, you only like to see black and white. You cannot comprehend nuances so you don't believe there are shades to everything.

I have never done anything even remotely like prostituting my daughters or believing my son to be righteous if he did that to his daughters.

 

[ecco]

It depends on the act. My son prostituting my granddaughters? Yes, I would judge him on that one act. But you still refuse to answer. Why?

What about you having sex with a prostitute?

You just refuse to address the question of righteousness as it pertains to God, Lot, and how you would judge your son.

I'd ask why again, but I know I won't get an answer. Perhaps you won't answer because you would have to admit that you would not find your son to be righteous. That would be in direct conflict with you being accepting of your God calling Lot righteous.


When are you going to address...
Numbers 31
17So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. 18Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's a ridiculous, nonsensical comment.

But, once again, you only like to see black and white. You cannot comprehend nuances so you don't believe there are shades to everything.

I have never done anything even remotely like prostituting my daughters or believing my son to be righteous if he did that to his daughters.

I think we are missing the point. Clearly it is permissible to prostitute your daughters. As long you sell your daughter in lifelong service. It's in the Bible after all. If you believe it is one of the fringe benefits. That sort of sin magically goes away.

Somehow this makes God just Though to me it makes God look like just a . . .

 

[ecco]

There is every reason to do good and you actually want to after being forgiven of all your sins, being adopted into God’s family, given the Holy Spirit and an inheritance that will never go away. Why would I want to do evil after receiving all this from God?

How does one who has committed evil come to be forgiven? If one knows he can be forgiven for being evil then he knows that he can continue to be evil and be forgiven again and again.

Actually, according to what you wrote: "an inheritance that will never go away" being forgiven once is good for total absolution forever.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have never done anything even remotely like prostituting my daughters or believing my son to be righteous if he did that to his daughters.

If you’ve contributed to pornography you have participated and supported exploiting someone else’s daughter or wife. Had sex with someone you didn’t marry or was married ? Just as bad