Armed school official thwarts school shooter

[Shaul]

Preferably without having to turn our teachers into military personnel.

Hogwash. You are spouting hyperbole.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

All of which doesn’t have much to do with this story. I’m sure you and your friend can sit around clucking your tongues and feel all self righteous about how you hate guns. Meanwhile, I ‘d say the students at this high school are damn glad someone there was armed and could stop this shooter from killing them.

Wouldn't it be even better if the school shooter could have been stopped by not having a gun in the first place? That way no one gets shot.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Hogwash. You are spouting hyperbole.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Shaul]

2 Kids injured and 1 kid dead still indicates a problem that needs to be fixed. I am grateful it is not more deaths but we a still talking about a shooting on school grounds.

No is suggesting that arming school personnel is a panacea. But it is one of many things that can reduce school shooting casualties.

 

[Stanyon]

Most of us "lefties" here at RF are not anti-gun-- just anti-proliferation.

A friend of mine who was in the IDF and who lives in Israel thinks America is simply nuts allowing so many people here to have so much access to guns-- roughly 300,000,000 or so, according to recent estimates, which averages one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country.

According to stats and to most police, keeping a loaded gun in one's house is simply nuts, which is why so many cities have had gun buy-back programs.

But would you want to live in Israel?

 

[idav]

Hogwash. You are spouting hyperbole.

You get the point though, its not hidden.

 

[Windwalker]

Now actually go and read the original article that I posted a link to.

Really? Seriously? "Now go and read that!" I can see why you like guns so much. You may talk to your children that way, but it comes off as a sad joke here.

 

[Shaul]

Wouldn't it be even better if the school shooter could have been stopped by not having a gun in the first place? That way no one gets shot.

Well, duh. But until that utopia exists shouldn’t we also have armed personnel to stop the shooters that do happen? Let’s do as much as we can to eliminate school shootings, not the least.

 

[Shaul]

I'm not anti-gun. I'm anti-"bad guy with a gun." Or anti-"stupid family with a gun."

Too many people that own guns shouldn't be owning guns at all.

Who appointed you the judge of who should have their rights taken away?

 

[suncowiam]

To presume that concealed carry imposes the same risks as cops or soldiers isn't reasonable.

You're right about that.

 

[Shaul]

Really? Seriously? "Now go and read that!" I can see why you like guns so much. You may talk to your children that way, but it comes off as a sad joke here.

Or not. Suit yourself. The rest of us are talking about the article I posted about. If you want to talk about some other article why don’t you start your own thread?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well, duh. But until that utopia exists shouldn’t we also have armed personnel to stop the shooters that do happen? Let’s do as much as we can to eliminate school shootings, not the least.

Why not do what they do places where there are no school shootings? (Hint; Australia doesn't arm its teachers)

 

[Windwalker]

Or not. Suit yourself. The rest of us are talking about the article I posted about. If you want to talk about some other article why don’t you start your own thread?

Oh I read it. It's just the typical right-wing spin that leaves out vast territories of actual data in favor of statistically rare events, and spins it in such a way as to tickle the ears of the paranoid. But my greater point was, look at the way you talked to me. What does this say about your mindset? Rather "strict parentish" of you, I'd say. And that underscores what I said about why you would be attracted to this rhetoric and guns themselves.

 

[Shaul]

You can't have it both ways.

I’m not. Nothing in arming school personnel requires they turn into them into military personnel. That idea suggested that it would is hyperbole and absurd.

 

[suncowiam]

Instead of the "arming teachers" talking point so common on both sides,
what do you think of simply allowing only those volunteering for the
appropriate vetting & training being able to carry concealed?

I have no idea because its still hypothetical. That hypothetical is a step better than simply arming teachers.

One has to understand the vetting and training. Then it needs to be implemented in the real world. Then comes the real world results. Are we solving the original issue, or are we introducing another issue? I honestly have no idea.

To me, it just sounds like a grand experiment that looks good on paper.

 

[Shaul]

Why not do what they do places where there are no school shootings? (Hint; Australia doesn't arm its teachers)

Because different countries sometimes need different solutions. (Hint: America drives on the right side of the road but Australia doesn’t have to too)

 

[Shaul]

I cannot imagine being a student in any school where the teacher has a firearm hanging on their side, on their desk, or even knowing they're packing. Talk about not conducive to learning! How can anyone learn in a hostile environment, especially if you have a strong aversion to guns? That actually does not make one feel safer at all. Think of it like hanging a battle axe on the wall, or a mace, or some other weapon designed to kill human beings. The only place that has in a classroom is in the art of armantents class, or military training of some sort. Not English Lit 101.

Um, it wouldn’t be like you described. Wait, because you can’t imagine something we can’t do it? That kind of limits things.

As a teacher myself, I can assure you I could be armed and no student would know and it wouldn’t disrupt the learning process.

 

[Shaul]

I have no idea because its still hypothetical. That hypothetical is a step better than simply arming teachers.

One has to understand the vetting and training. Then it needs to be implemented in the real world. Then comes the real world results. Are we solving the original issue, or are we introducing another issue? I honestly have no idea.

To me, it just sounds like a grand experiment that looks good on paper.

It isn’t so hypothetical nor an experiment. There are already schools that have armed teachers.

 

[suncowiam]

Who appointed you the judge of who should have their rights taken away?

What you rambling about?

Did I say I was a judge making some decision that affects are society. That was an opinion. And yeah, actually I would strongly suggest to take away rights of people that can't responsibly own weapons.

Dude, you can't keep on arguing it's some innate right when the same weapon keeps on being used in crimes, homicides, suicides and massacres. That technical line of argument is just dishonest. Look at the damage the second amendment has done compared to what its supposed to protect against. You might as well argue slavery was right in the past because it was technically legal.

 

[idav]

I’m not. Nothing in arming school personnel requires they turn into them into military personnel. That idea suggested that it would is hyperbole and absurd.

So what kind of training should armed teachers be getting, feel good classes?