Armed school official thwarts school shooter

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, something changed over these generations. We still haven't root caused that though...

Now that's exactly what we need to look for.

It seems the last few generations have been getting progressively more stressed, isolated, and violent.

 

[Curious George]

Yeah...it feels like unproductive bickering.

I imagine that much of RF is just so. Nevertheless, there is a discussion to be had. I suggest that a heavier investment in the areas will reduce the problems without giving more authority to authorities and without infringing on rights. That sounds like a worthwhile investment.

 

[Revoltingest]

I imagine that much of RF is just so.

I'll choose to avoid it when discussion devolves to bickering..

 

[bobhikes]

No is suggesting that arming school personnel is a panacea. But it is one of many things that can reduce school shooting casualties.

We need to have open discussions/debates in Congress about the many things that can be done and then action.

 

[Curious George]

I'll choose to avoid it when discussion devolves to bickering..

Yes, if you feel you are bickering you should definitely take a break.

 

[Stanyon]

Laws are only as effective as how they are enforced.

Let me help you with your argument. Chicago is the worst city of gun violence with strict gun laws.

Yet, countries that have even more strict gun laws actually show a correlated decrease in gun violence.

Why do you think a city fails while entire countries are successful?

Different cultures and countries histories seem to play a large role in what goes on. It seems the root causes of much of the violence in the United States seems to point mostly to poverty, desperation, breakdown of the family and drug and or alcohol abuse and those issues are the ones that should get the most focus in my opinion.

 

[Windwalker]

Whatever. Pot calling the kettle black.

I'm not sure how that applies to me? I'm just the dishwasher saying that pot is dirty. I'm not the strict authoritarian parent telling an online poster, "Now go and read it!". You alone own that. You alone are trying to deflect from that.

 

[Windwalker]

Um, it wouldn’t be like you described. Wait, because you can’t imagine something we can’t do it? That kind of limits things.

When I'm around someone I know is packing, I don't feel comfortable. If you think I am the only one, you are in denial, unable to empathize with another. I've been in plenty of classrooms, and if I knew the instructor was packing, I would not feel safe. It would not be conducive to a healthy learning environment for me, and I can guarantee I'm not alone.

As a teacher myself, I can assure you I could be armed and no student would know and it wouldn’t disrupt the learning process.

You can assure that others aren't freaked out about it? They would tell you, would they? You're the one in power, and if your students are young children, I doubt they would feel comfortable to challenge you about it.

 

[metis]

All of which doesn’t have much to do with this story. I’m sure you and your friend can sit around clucking your tongues and feel all self righteous about how you hate guns. Meanwhile, I ‘d say the students at this high school are damn glad someone there was armed and could stop this shooter from killing them.

Well, if being concerned about 30,000 gun deaths per year here in the States is being "self-righteous", then I'll plead guilty to that.

Secondly, you falsely accuse me by saying that I "hate guns", so it appears that honesty just doesn't seem to make much of a difference to you. I have never proposed having all or even most guns removed, so you have disgraced yourself through stereotyping those of us who feel that greater precautions need to be taken dealing with our proliferation of guns.

So, maybe instead of stereotyping and false accusing others, maybe take stock of your own moral fiber.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well, if being concerned about 30,000 gun deaths per year here in the States is being "self-righteous", then I'll plead guilty to that.

Secondly, you falsely accuse me by saying that I "hate guns", so it appears that honesty just doesn't seem to make much of a difference to you. I have never proposed having all or even most guns removed, so you have disgraced yourself through stereotyping those of us who feel that greater precautions need to be taken dealing with our proliferation of guns.

So, maybe instead of stereotyping and false accusing others, maybe take stock of your own moral fiber.

^ What he said.

 

[Shaul]

When I'm around someone I know is packing, I don't feel comfortable. If you think I am the only one, you are in denial, unable to empathize with another. I've been in plenty of classrooms, and if I knew the instructor was packing, I would not feel safe. It would not be conducive to a healthy learning environment for me, and I can guarantee I'm not alone.


You can assure that others aren't freaked out about it? They would tell you, would they? You're the one in power, and if your students are young children, I doubt they would feel comfortable to challenge you about it.

So teachers should not be allowed to effectively defend themselves and their students because you don’t feel “comfortable”. Because your feelings of comfort are more important than lives?

 

[Shaul]

I'm not sure how that applies to me? I'm just the dishwasher saying that pot is dirty. I'm not the strict authoritarian parent telling an online poster, "Now go and read it!". You alone own that. You alone are trying to deflect from that.

Yep, it applies to you. Go back and read the tenor of your own posts.

 

[Windwalker]

So teachers should not be allowed to effectively defend themselves and their students because you don’t feel “comfortable”. Because your feelings of comfort are more important than lives?

I'm saying that is a dumb solution to a larger problem, which creates a problem in and of itself. And yes, having students not feeling like they are having class in an armed environment is a thousand times better than having a proliferation of weapons in the classroom. That is the wrong direction from teaching what it means to live in a civilized society.

 

[Windwalker]

Yep, it applies to you. Go back and read the tenor of your own posts.

I did. They're perfectly fine, other than me pointing out your tone. You may consider that "aggressive" but that is nonsense. I'm just calling you out, and you want to fabricate that I'm doing the same, as if that somehow would exonerate you anyway. It doesn't. And your lack of owning it, says everything.