Ask About Islam

[stevecanuck]

This thread should have been called "Ask about Islam as long as the questions are kumbaya soft-balls".

Btw, I might go dark for a week. We're travelling to a place with no wifi and potentially spotty data reception. I wonder how many pages of posts will pile up during that time.

 

[stevecanuck]

Hmm, I sense a pattern developing here.

It is interesting how often well-intentioned

That's debatable.

but ill-informed Muslims come on to forums like this expecting to educate the ignorant kufr, only to discover that the kufr often have a better understanding and knowledge of Islam than they do, the apologist having only been spoon-fed a sanitised and cherry-picked version by imams and YouTube scholars. They then react with insults, anger, blocking and then often silence - leaving a raft of questions and points unaddressed
Don't worry you aren't the first and won't be the last.

I was going to make this post, so I'll just bump yours instead.

 

[stevecanuck]

Ok, this thread is not for those who ridicule Islam out of hatred, out of insincerity out of just plain ugliness. Just stop and go on with your life and stop making up things you just are clueless of. You do not understand so you are arrogantly putting claims to your own opinion...somethin in Islam we are not allowed to do.

Said the person who doesn't even know the story of the writing of the Qur'an.

 

[stevecanuck]

Which disproves the common claim by apologists that Islam gave rights to women that they didn't have before, like owning property, inheritance, community respect, relationship equality, etc. Khadija was a successful merchant who inherited her business from her father. She asked Muhammad to marry her after he had been employed by her running her business, travelling throughout the Arabian peninsula and beyond (which is also evidence against the "illiterate shepherd with no knowledge of anything" claim)

She was obviously a powerful, independent woman who wouldn't have allowed it.

Excellent points.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that God is the Supreme Being. In Islam, He is the creator of all things. In Islam, Allah says that we are here to worship Him alone, to not create or attribute partners unto Him. He is the ONE and ONLY.

There is and always have been one creator of all. To attribute partners unto God is the one thing in Islam that will never be forgiven.

Interesting, I did not know that was a belief of Islam. That is also a belief I hold, that we are never to join partners with the one true God, the creator of all.

XCIV: And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods

 

[danieldemol]

Because Islam was already completed... ...they were innovators and that is a serious crime...

If innovation is a serious crime, then why do you allow your religious leaders to innovate in matters of religion? For example the Fatwa concerning fasting in the polar regions where the sun does not set for vast periods of time seems to be quite modern. Surely Muslims in these regions are innovators in going off the sunset sunrise time for a different region?

In my opinion

 

[MyM]

If innovation is a serious crime, then why do you allow your religious leaders to innovate in matters of religion? For example the Fatwa concerning fasting in the polar regions where the sun does not set for vast periods of time seems to be quite modern. Surely Muslims in these regions are innovators in going off the sunset sunrise time for a different region?

In my opinion

It makes no difference whether the night and day are long or short, so long as the times of the prayers can be distinguished by the signs which were identified by the Messenger of Allah pbuh. Allah says in the Quran,

“Verily, As‑Salaah (the prayer) is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours”
al-Nisa’ 4:103

We are in Islam, to follow the shar'eea. You take from Saudia if you live in those regions. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to pray 5 times a day, fast etc.

 

[KWED]

By searching for him and looking within for him and praying to him so he shows his existence.

Pure circular logic.
Praying sincerely to a god requires belief in said god's existence.

 

[KWED]

Yes it does, it's revealing this in context (as the other verses show) of Mohammad's (s) followers being prosecuted. You have to contextualize. We can deduce if Ibrahim's (a) people similarly weren't oppressors and didn't prosecute them, they would not be destroyed nor forbidden to love them. Ibrahim's (a) followers were taught to give ultimatum, believe now or be destroyed, like many destroyed nations, and God destroyed many people in the past. The fact that destroyed nations usually if not always were destroyed when God delivers the believers from their oppressors is mentioned through out Quran. The people of Ibrahim (a) are mentioned as one of those destroyed people in Quran.

The verses after show however God can bring love between them (believers and their enemies) and shows it was only forbidden to those who were oppressive towards them for their religion.

You just go to read and contextualize it all.

The verse is about people rejecting Abraham's preaching. Allah says that hating people who reject his message is a good example for believers to follow.

Interesting that you try to justify this advice by pointing out that disbelievers are often "destroyed" because they reject Allah's message.
Sooo peaceful and tolerant.

 

[KWED]

I have already covered this topic.

Yes, we know. You think it is morally acceptable for a middle aged man to have sex with a girl of 9, in principle.
Yet another example of the dangers of blind dogmatic belief in ancient superstition.

 

[KWED]

Sorry NOT sorry. We did not evolve from apes. Pigs are 84% lol you gonna say people came from pigs as well?

It's all based on theory. Not proven that mankind came from apes.

I don't want to debate.

What's even more worrying than your post is that someone else thinks its a winner.

 

[KWED]

I do not want to debate where I came from. I will never believe I came from an ape. You cannot prove we did. I have on the other hand, the Quran by Allah. You can ridicule my intelligence and you can mock me and my religion, but I know I am not on the same level as an ape.

So you reject millions of hours and thousands of pages of demonstrable, verifiable, peer-review scientific research. Work that has been used to make accurate predictions and develop working products in things like agriculture, livestock farming, medicine, etc.
On the other hand, you insist that a 1400 year old collection of Middle Eastern superstitions and customs cannot be questioned, even if the evidence against it is overwhelming.

 

[KWED]

It makes no difference whether the night and day are long or short, so long as the times of the prayers can be distinguished by the signs which were identified by the Messenger of Allah pbuh. Allah says in the Quran,

“Verily, As‑Salaah (the prayer) is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours”
al-Nisa’ 4:103

We are in Islam, to follow the shar'eea. You take from Saudia if you live in those regions. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to pray 5 times a day, fast etc.

The question was about fasting, not prayer.

But as you raise the issue of prayer times, presumably you won't know that ritual ablutions before five daily prayers was borrowed from Zoroastrianism.

 

[Sheldon]

Sorry NOT sorry. We did not evolve from apes.

We both evolved from, and are apes, this is a scientific fact.

Pigs are 84% lol you gonna say people came from pigs as well?

No, ALL living things share common ancestry, again this is a scientific fact. We did not evolve direct from pigs, we do share a common ancestor at some point in evolution. Obviously we are pretty closely related to pigs, the percentage of DNA we share demonstrates that fact. Like Humans pigs are one of the few mammals that can suffer sun burn, and pigs of course are very intelligent animals. Though we are in fact more closely related to mice than pigs.

"Comparison of the full DNA sequences of different mammals shows that we are more closely related to mice than we are to pigs. We last shared a common ancestor with pigs about 80 million years ago, compared to about 70 million years ago when we diverged from rodents."

It's all based on theory.

No it isn't, a scientific theory is very different from the dictionary definition of the word theory, did you seriously not know this, good grief?

<scientific theory>

Not proven that mankind came from apes.

Science doesn't prove things, proofs are used in mathematics and logic. The scientific evidence supporting species evolution is overwhelming, as is the scientific evidence that humans are apes, and all great apes, including humans, evolved from apes.

I don't want to debate.

I literally couldn't care less, but the idiocy of making such a claim in a debate forum, speaks for itself.

 

[Sheldon]

I do not want to debate where I came from. I will never believe I came from an ape.

You can believe the moon is made of soft cheese if it cheers you up, but scientific facts are not influenced by wishful thinking.

You cannot prove we did.

Again science does not prove things, it gathers and tests evidence. The overwhelming evidence to support this makes it an established scientific fact, whether you accept it or not.

I have on the other hand, the Quran by Allah.

Please demonstrate one shred of objective evidence for any deity?

I know I am not on the same level as an ape.

I have no idea what you mean by "on the same level as", but the taxonomy of humans is that they are part of the family of great apes. You can easily fact check this yourself, though I suspect you're not looking for facts here, especially if they see to dispute any part of your religious beliefs. You might want to consider what being that closed minded means, or you might not of course.

 

[Link]

Science can't prove evolution because of the possibility of irreducible complexity in binary systems. For example, say the mind is irreducible complex as a system. That is mind cannot arise from non-mind systems, it can evolve, but not arise from non-mind to mind transition because it's so vastly different and also binary (either there is a ghost in the machine or not). As far as I know, no one has explained mind arising from non-mind nor even solved the hard problem of consciousness. No one has surveyed all systems in nature and proven how they arise in transitional small steps.

That means evolution (full wise) can be proven false and so the burden of proof is on the people to prove it false.

Whether some people have or not in the scientific community, I don't know. It maybe some people have but the scientific community power structure is too vested in atheistic theories to accept it.

But since it has something that can prove it false, then just one binary irreducible complex system in nature is needed to prove it false.

I personally believe mind as in ghost in the machine is a proof of a Creator and can't arise from non-mind systems through small mutations picked by natural selection. Actually, I am sure of it.

 

[ppp]

Science can't prove evolution because of the possibility of irreducible complexity in binary systems.

I am unaware of anyone who has demonstrated that irreducible complexity is, as you claim, possible.

 

[Link]

I am unaware of anyone who has demonstrated that irreducible complexity is, as you claim, possible.

And how would you determine if possible? Understanding it yourself or do scientific authorities mostly have to agree?

 

[ppp]

And how would you determine if possible? Understanding it yourself or do scientific authorities mostly have to agree?

I have no idea. Irreducible complexity has always read as a thinly veiled argument from ignorance to me. But who knows? I never thought anyone would be able to come up with a solution for demonstrating lucid dreaming either. And yet, they did.

But until someone comes up with some actual demonstration that the flagellum is irreducibly complex, it is necessarily an argument from ignorance fallacy.

 

[MyM]

We both evolved from, and are apes, this is a scientific fact.



No, ALL living things share common ancestry, again this is a scientific fact. We did not evolve direct from pigs, we do share a common ancestor at some point in evolution. Obviously we are pretty closely related to pigs, the percentage of DNA we share demonstrates that fact. Like Humans pigs are one of the few mammals that can suffer sun burn, and pigs of course are very intelligent animals. Though we are in fact more closely related to mice than pigs.

"Comparison of the full DNA sequences of different mammals shows that we are more closely related to mice than we are to pigs. We last shared a common ancestor with pigs about 80 million years ago, compared to about 70 million years ago when we diverged from rodents."



No it isn't, a scientific theory is very different from the dictionary definition of the word theory, did you seriously not know this, good grief?

<scientific theory>



Science doesn't prove things, proofs are used in mathematics and logic. The scientific evidence supporting species evolution is overwhelming, as is the scientific evidence that humans are apes, and all great apes, including humans, evolved from apes.



I literally couldn't care less, but the idiocy of making such a claim in a debate forum, speaks for itself.

Animals do have instinctive behaviors but they do not evolve into humans. Humans have yet to prove they even ever saw an ape transform. This should mark a massive change in history if it ever came into being-but it did not. We did not evolve from animals. Allah created us and he created all animals.

I think you should look more into the Quran and its sciences may do you some good