Ask About Islam

[stevecanuck]

I must be a poor sufi because I do not hate anything or anyone.

Do you not agree with Allah when he says, "Unbelievers are the worst of Allah's creation"? (8:55)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Do you have any objective way of proving that?

No, it ends in an interpretation.

 

[stevecanuck]

So murder and rape can be waved away, but rational thinking and atheism cannot, that rather speaks volumes.

That point is made in no uncertain terms as Allah asks the rhetorical question in verse 29:68: "And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects the Truth when it reaches him?"

For a god who "has no needs", he seems to be a little thin-skinned.

Btw, I find it very un-god-like to rely so heavily on rhetorical questions. They appear frequently.

 

[stevecanuck]

@KWED you are going to lose credibility when people see you twisting verses out of their place even if after it's been clarified to you.

What part of "Enmity and hatred will separate us forever unless you believe in One God" did he misunderstand?

 

[stevecanuck]

This is circular logic.
How can you be sincere to god if you think he doesn't exist? If you already believe he exists, you do not need guiding.

So many platitudes, so little sense!

Don't forget the "and strive for him" bit. Despite predictable protestations that 'jihad' applies mostly to inner struggle (greater jihad), the entirety of surah nine leaves no doubt that the so-called lesser jihad took over as being more important - especially verse 9:111 - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain".

 

[MyM]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The writing of the Qur'an is a VERY well known story among real Muslims. You are clearly unqualified to tell anyone anything about Islam.

History of the Quran - Wikipedia

Please, why do you continue in such a hatred manner? We don't take our religion from wikipedia. You may but we don't.

Please stop making fun of muslims and their religion.

 

[MyM]

Don't forget the "and strive for him" bit. Despite predictable protestations that 'jihad' applies mostly to inner struggle (greater jihad), the entirety of surah nine leaves no doubt that the so-called lesser jihad took over as being more important - especially verse 9:111 - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain".

Ok, this thread is not for those who ridicule Islam out of hatred, out of insincerity out of just plain ugliness. Just stop and go on with your life and stop making up things you just are clueless of. You do not understand so you are arrogantly putting claims to your own opinion...somethin in Islam we are not allowed to do.

 

[MyM]

Preaching you own beliefs in no way mitigates the clear fact that your god hates unbelievers. And if He hates them, then it's your duty to do so as well.

ok this is getting ridiculous. You are now on ignore.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

ok this is getting ridiculous. You are now on ignore.

Okay. I will try to be objective. I accept that you believe in Allah. I accept that you believe that your God is also mine. I accept that you are warning me, because you want to tell me, how the word ls according to you. I get all that.
But what you don't seem to get is that the certainty as certainty is the same in you and I. We are just certain about different versions of what the world really is.
So even as an atheist, I can do God and I have done so. The God I could have faith in, is not the same as your God. I am certain of that. So that is where it ends.

 

[KWED]

He was married to Khadija his first wife and the mother of his children. He was age 25 and she was 40. A very rich women in her time and had her business.

Which disproves the common claim by apologists that Islam gave rights to women that they didn't have before, like owning property, inheritance, community respect, relationship equality, etc. Khadija was a successful merchant who inherited her business from her father. She asked Muhammad to marry her after he had been employed by her running her business, travelling throughout the Arabian peninsula and beyond (which is also evidence against the "illiterate shepherd with no knowledge of anything" claim)

He never married anyone else while she was alive.

She was obviously a powerful, independent woman who wouldn't have allowed it.

His wives were blessings and they were also necessary and helped the outcome of situations.

An utterly meaningless statement.

He was a prophet of Allah. He was entitled and given that privilege by Allah.

Indeed. One of his later wives, Aisha, famously said "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires" after Muhammad "revealed" yet another verse that benefitted him personally. (Sahih Bukhari)
Remember you have previously claimed that Aisha was remarkably clever and astute.

Some were married for necessities and some helped the political arena etc. But the wisdom, Allah knows.

So there is nothing inherently wrong in having more than 4 wives. It is just an arbitrary figure and could have been 3 or 7.

 

[KWED]

Nope I don't feel less intelligent for not believing mankind evolved from apes, just the contrary, those who believe such things haven't read the Quran with open mind. They haven't checked out the beauty of the sciences in the Quran. I can give you a list if you want to start literal interpretations ...if proven correct as my Creator said so, of course literal...but Quran doesn't just come with words from Allah, we have the ahadiths that tell us and explain to us the Quran-no other religious book has that claim that can be proven back to the prophet pbuh himself. That way it isn't just for men to opinionize their own interpretations. In Islam, you are not allowed to do that.

This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

 

[KWED]

There are close to 2 billion actually.

1. So not "billions".

2. That number is inaccurate as it simply assumes that every person in a Muslim country/community/family actually believes in Islam.
Example: Saudi Arabia is officially almost 100% Muslim. However, in a recent global survey on religiosity it found that only 75% called themselves "religious", with 19% "not religious" and 5% "convinced atheist".
So the figure for people who actually believe in Islam, rather than just having the cultural label of "Muslim" is far lower that the 1.5-1.9 billion claimed.
And the number of dogmatic fundamentalists like yourself is likely a small proportion of that.

 

[KWED]

lol You cannot prove to me that I came from an ape. The THEORY of evolution is just that...a theory.

You don't understand what "theory" means in science. It does not men "just an idea". It is a well-established explanation for an observation that has a large body of supporting evidence. It is pretty much as close to "fact" as you get in science. There are no expert biologists who doubt evolution.

I do not share ancestors with an ape

You do. It is a demonstrable fact. Deal with it or ignore it, but chimpanzees are your cousins.

I have enough proof in my religion that tells me where I came from.

You have belief in dogma, that is all.

Doctors will tell you to same lol

lol! No they won't (well, not any honest ones). In order to qualify as a doctor you need to understand principles that rely on evolution.

 

[KWED]

If they say la illaha illaalla mohammad rasullah..and believe in it...they are muslims.

It is gratifying to see a Sunni fundamentalist like yourself accept Shia, Sufis, Ahmadiyya, Quranists, etc, as true Muslims.
If more Muslims were like you the Middle East would be a safer place.

 

[Sheldon]

If you think that G-d can be eternal and kill Himself and still be eternal,
then you have an odd idea of what is logical..

So not an omnipotent deity then, clearly. Talking of logic, what does it mean when a belief contains two contradictory ideas at the same time?

 

[Sheldon]

..but you don't believe in any gods .. so what do you know?

I can recite the rules of Quidditch, that doesn't make Harry Potter or wizardry real. The principles of reason and logic apply to all ideas, whether we believe them or not.

 

[Sheldon]

Verse 60:4 even specifically says that hatred for disbelievers is a good thing.

No it doesn't.

"There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination."

Surat Al-Mumtahanah [60:4] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

 

[KWED]

ok this is getting ridiculous. You are now on ignore.

Hmm, I sense a pattern developing here.

It is interesting how often well-intentioned but ill-informed Muslims some on to forums like this expecting to educate the ignorant kufr, only to discover that the kufr often have a better understanding and knowledge of Islam than they do, the apologist having only been spoon-fed a sanitised and cherry-picked version by imams and YouTube scholars. They then react with insults, anger, blocking and then often silence - leaving a raft of questions and points unaddressed
Don't worry you aren't the first and won't be the last.

 

[Sheldon]

Jeepers, you think we evolved from apes?

The taxonomy of humans is that they are part of a family of great apes, we both evolved from and are apes, did you not know this?

I know my creator made me with brains lol ...if we evolved from apes how come there are apes still not like humans

Oh good grief, you're not serious? There are many species of apes, and humans are one of them. As were the species of apes they evolved from.

and since mankind has been around, not one ape has evolved into a human lol come on seriously you believe in that?

One more time then, humans are apes, and humans evolved just 200k years ago, in evolutionary terms that's miniscule.

you cannot "silence" intelligence lol nice try though

Denying scientific facts is not intelligence, especially in favour of unevidenced superstitious creation myths.

 

[Sheldon]

I'm sorry but intelligence to me does not involved me coming from apes. In Islam, Allah says,
“O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women”
[al-Nisaa’ 4:1]

For you? Species evolution is as well evidenced a scientific fact as any we have, denying it is no less absurd than denying the rotundity of the earth. You might want to question any belief that requires that level of denial, though I'm guessing that kind of objective introspection would be impossible for you.

However if you really do want to understand the facts, here is a <LINK> for you, what have you got to lose? The talk origins website has a massive database of evidence supporting species evolution, and also debunks a lot of creationist canards, I'v set it to open at "why are there still apes?" just for you...


"If we are descended from apes, why are there still apes around?

Response:

1. Humans and other apes are descended from a common ancestor whose population split to become two (and more) lineages. The question is rather like asking, "If many Americans and Australians are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans around?" Creationists themselves recognize the invalidity of this claim (AIG n.d.)."