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[muhammad_isa]

..they miss out on bacon factor.

bacon factor?

 

[Link]

Why does it have to be perfect?

This is a good question. We wouldn't be accurate reality. We can just make up who we are in this case. It has no basis but our own standards. If no accurate reality, would we even estimate who we are?

If we are a subjective value, it's chaotic winds making us up. We have no truth in this case, and there is no guessing closer to reality or estimating because we are what decides what we are. In this case, there is no reality to who we are, it's an illusion.

 

[KWED]

Who knows, maybe down the road scientists will realize this. Just like they have with many other things like the two bodies of water-one salty and one fresh meeting and never intermingling....has been in the Quran over 1400 years ago and yet not til recently they discovered this.

This is more obvious and demonstrable nonsense. There is no place where salt and fresh water do not mix when in contact with each other. The Quran is wrong. You need to stop getting all your information from Islamic propaganda websites.

 

[KWED]

bacon factor?

Link likes bacon but is sad that he can't eat it.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Ok well the first part seems pretty circular to be honest. However can you demonstrate any objective that a soul exists?

A person who eats bacon might have an obscured soul.
They become like a pig, and live for their next "fix" of bacon.

Ask @Link . He can tell you all about the bacon factor.

 

[Link]

bacon factor?

lol, I ate it before when I was non-Muslim. It's pretty good.

 

[Link]

Link likes bacon but is sad that he can't eat it.

So sad... o well.

 

[KWED]

If a soul exists, it being able to detect the soul is easy to know.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

It's metaphysical by nature and able to sense what it is and spiritual nature of itself.

Are you saying that if you have a soul, you know that soul exists and you can sense it and other souls?

 

[Link]

Are you saying that if you have a soul, you know that soul exists and you can sense it and other souls?

Almost, I'm saying you can, of course, a soul that is corrupted and turning away from reality, might not see, but it's possible to see the truth of souls if we are a soul, so it's matter then if we do know this or not.

 

[KWED]

This is a good question. We wouldn't be accurate reality. We can just make up who we are in this case. It has no basis but our own standards. If no accurate reality, would we even estimate who we are?

If we are a subjective value, it's chaotic winds making us up. We have no truth in this case, and there is no guessing closer to reality or estimating because we are what decides what we are. In this case, there is no reality to who we are, it's an illusion.

So our understanding of ourself has to be perfect because it has to be perfect. Because if it wasn't perfect, it wouldn't be perfect.

So again, why does it have to be perfect? Why can't our understanding our ourselves be subjective, changing, incomplete, even flawed? How would that make life impossible?

 

[KWED]

In Islam:

the hadeeth of Abd-Allah ibn Masood (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: Whilst I was with the Prophet pbuh on a farm, and he was resting on a palm branch stripped of its leaves, the Jews passed by, and some of them said to others, Ask him about the soul. Some of them said, What urges you to ask him about it? Others of them said, Don't ask him in case he says something you dislike. But they said, Ask him, so they asked him about the soul. The Prophet pbuh kept quiet and did not respond to them, and I knew that he was receiving Revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the Revelation of the aayah(verse in Quran) was complete, he said (interpretation of the meaning): And they ask you [O Muhammad] concerning the rooh [the spirit/soul]. Say: The rooh: it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little. [al-Isra 17:85]

So Muhammad not being able to answer a question is proof of god?

 

[Link]

So our understanding of ourself has to be perfect because it has to be perfect. Because if it wasn't perfect, it wouldn't be perfect.

So again, why does it have to be perfect? Why can't our understanding our ourselves be subjective, changing, incomplete, even flawed? How would that make life impossible?

Our understanding is imperfect. I'm saying, we have to know we accurately exist to even have an imperfect understanding of who we are. The accurate existence is in God's vision. Without that, we are not even guessing at what we are, because there is no reality to who we are in this case. It would be subjectively made up and an illusion.

 

[KWED]

Almost, I'm saying you can, of course, a soul that is corrupted and turning away from reality, might not see, but it's possible to see the truth of souls if we are a soul, so it's matter then if we do know this or not.

Can you see my soul?

 

[Link]

Can you see my soul?

I believe everything alive is connected somehow in the spiritual kingdom. But let's not go there haha.

In fact dead alive or yet to come to be, we all connected spiritually in the kingdom.

 

[KWED]

Our understanding is imperfect. I'm saying, we have to know we accurately exist to even have an imperfect understanding of who we are. The accurate existence is in God's vision. Without that, we are not even guessing at what we are, because there is no reality to who we are in this case. It would be subjectively made up and an illusion.

What does "accurately exist" mean? We exist. That is a brute fact. It can't be "accurate" or "inaccurate".

 

[Link]

What does "accurately exist" mean? We exist. That is a brute fact. It can't be "accurate" or "inaccurate".

The physical part is a brute fact. The who we are, is subject to judgment. Without an accurate judgment, there is no accurate who we are reality.

 

[Link]

So Muhammad not being able to answer a question is proof of god?

In my view, the Ruh (the spirit) in Quran refers to the holy spirit which is the spirit from his command or spirit of his command and that is too deep a subject to word in a few words. No matter what we know of it, it's always very little compared to God and those who are that reality. The reminder of the Quran can be said primarily about this position of Mohammad (s). That is why Mohammad (s) is also said to be the reminder in the Quran.

 

[MyM]

In my view, the Ruh (the spirit) in Quran refers to the holy spirit which is the spirit from his command or spirit of his command and that is too deep a subject to word in a few words. No matter what we know of it, it's always very little compared to God and those who are that reality. The reminder of the Quran can be said primarily about this position of Mohammad (s). That is why Mohammad (s) is also said to be the reminder in the Quran.

Allah knows more and we are not to assume what that aya means. If Allah says we know little, we know little and not to innovate inshallah.

 

[Birdnest]

As I already said, all societies forbid unlawful killing, so the claim is meaningless.

However, it is interesting that you believe torturing people to death is an appropriate punishment for "fasad" (Which includes things such as disbelief and disobeying god's law).

Crucifixion is for killing and stealing, or at least for killing. That is the context of verse 5:33.

 

[Link]

Allah knows more and we are not to assume what that aya means. If Allah says we know little, we know little and not to innovate inshallah.

Salam

في الكافي والقمّي عن الصادق عَليه السلام أنّه سُئل عن هذه الآية فقال خلق أعظم من جبرئيل وميكائيل كان مع رسول الله صلىَّ الله عليه وآله وسلم وهو مع الأئمّة عليهم السلام وهُو من الملكوت.

In Alkafi and Al-Qummi from As-Sadiq (a) he was asked about this verse so he said "A creation greater then Jibrael and Michael it was with the Messenger of God (s) and it is with the Leaders (a) and it is from the malakut"

If you can read rest in Arabic, this is from a tafsir (Shiite one) all hadiths:

والعياشي عنه عليه السلام أنّه سئل عنها فقال خلق عظيم أعظم من جبرئيل وميكائيل لم يكن مع أحد ممّن مضى غير محمّد صلىَّ الله عليه وآله وسلم ومع الأئمّة يسدّدهم وليس كلّما طلب وجده وعنهما عليهما السلام في هذه الآية إنّما الرّوح خلق من خلقه له بصر وقوّة وتأييد يجعله في قلوب المؤمنين والرسل وعن أحدهما عليهما السلام في هذه الآية سئل ما الرّوح قال التي في الدوابّ والناس قيل وما هي قال هي من الملكوت من القدرة.

أقولُ: قد سبق تمام الكلام في معنى الروح في سورة الحجر فلا نعيده وما ذكر في الأخبار إِخبار عمّا يتميّز به عن غيره وما أبهم في الآية حقيقته فلا منافاة { وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إلاَّ قَلِيلاً }.

القمّي أنّ اليَهود سألوا رسول الله صلىَّ الله عليه وآله وسلم عن الرّوح فقال الرّوح من أمر ربّي وما أوتيتم من العِلم إلاّ قليلاً قالوا نحن خاصّة قال بل النّاس عامّة قالوا فيكف يجتمع هذان يا محمّد تزعم أنّك لم تؤت من العلم إلاّ قليلاً وقد أوتيت القرآن وأوتينَا التوراة وقد قرأت ومن يؤت الحكمة فقد أوتي خيراً كثيراً فأنزل الله ولو أنّ ما في الأرض من شجرة أقلام والبحر يمدّه من بعده سبعة أبحر ما نفدت كلمات الله يقول علم الله أكثر من ذلك وما أوتيتم كثير فيكم قليل عن الله.


والعياشي عن الباقر عليه السلام في قول الله وما أوتيتم من العِلمِ إلاّ قليلاً قال تفسيرها في الباطن أنّه لم يؤت العلم إلاّ أناس يسير فقال وما أوتيتم من العلم إلاّ قليلاً منكم.

وفي التوحيد عن الصادق عليه السلام في حديث قال ووصف الذين لم يؤتوا من الله فوائِد العلم فوصفوا ربّهم بأدنى الأمثال وشبّهوه بالمتشابه منهم فيما جهلوا به فلذلك قال ومَا أوتيتم من العِلمِ إلاّ قليلاً فليس له شبه ولا مثل ولا عدل.