Ask About Islam

[Sheldon]

Never heard of that one before. Probably because there is no such fallacy.

It's not, I think it is a spurious tactic sometimes used in debate, though in this instance he made an absolute claim that he knew the Quran was true, so a single error would be sufficient to refute his claim. However I fail to see the issue in presenting a list of scientific errors in the Quran. It's core claims involve unfalsifiable magic after all, if that's scientifically valid then I really have misunderstood some pretty basic scientific principles.

 

[Link]

I'm inclined to believe this is not an entirely accurate claim, leaving aside his baffling motivation for taking secular philosophy course. What kind of professor of philosophy let alone an atheist one, thinks morals are absolute?

Perhaps Link could list a few moral absolutes for us? Obviously he would need to support these with something approaching objective evidence, not just assert they are absolutes with an argument from authority fallacy, but he'll have learned that from his philosophy course obviously.

You are overcomplicating. Subjective, I think medium boobs are hotter then big boobs. There is no right or wrong answer, it's a matter of taste.

However, moral thoughts, have a right or wrong answer. "I think rape is justified and should be allowed to even children?" is it like taste of cake, vanilla or chocolate.

Subjective means there is no objective answer, no right or wrong.

Objective means, there is right or wrong answers. Morality even though we dispute about a lot of it due to many factors, has right or wrong answers.

So how do deal with cultural diversity? That has it's own paradigm. But to say every opinion is equal is not the way.

 

[Link]

Could you list a few morals this atheist professor claimed are moral absolutes? Only this story is sounding more and more dubious to me.

See instead of learning, you rather accuse me of making up everything I learned in the course.

"The illness is within you but you don't perceive
The cure also lies within you for..."

 

[Sheldon]

There are two ways to deal with cultural pluralism with respect to human rights:

(1) See what every culture has to offer through reasoning, accept what is proven in terms of human rights and rights in general.
(2) No right or wrong answers, right or wrong is cultural.

He argued for 1, and stated reasons why 2 is wrong.

I argued no such thing, I'd appreciate it if you didn;t try to tell anyone what I think, just ask me, or quote me.

I simply said good and bad are subjective ideas, you were the one who immediately brought human rights into it, but since you have, they're axiomatically abstract and not real, if they existed in reality, we wouldn't need to create laws for them, we'd all have them already.

 

[KWED]

You should read up on it. Plenty of books. Internet is not everything.

So you don't understand it yourself.
Fair enough.

 

[Link]

I argued no such thing, I'd appreciate it if you didn;t try to tell anyone what I think, just ask me, or quote me.

I simply said good and bad are subjective ideas, you were the one who immediately brought human rights into it, but since you have, they're axiomatically abstract and not real, if they existed in reality, we wouldn't need to create laws for them, we'd all have them already.

I'm talking about the professor. Human rights are not created but rather they are recognized rights that government should guard and is obliged by them. The should is there regardless if government implements those rights or not.

 

[Link]

So you don't understand it yourself.
Fair enough.

You want to be spoon fed, but maybe I'm tired of the way you guys spit the food back out.

 

[KWED]

I'm inclined to believe this is not an entirely accurate claim, leaving aside his baffling motivation for taking secular philosophy course. What kind of professor of philosophy let alone an atheist one, thinks morals are absolute?

Perhaps Link could list a few moral absolutes for us? Obviously he would need to support these with something approaching objective evidence, not just assert they are absolutes with an argument from authority fallacy, but he'll have learned that from his philosophy course obviously.

Judging by his responses to our queries, I suspect the "course" never happened.

 

[Link]

Judging by his responses to our queries, I suspect the "course" never happened.

If we all behaved like you, I'm sure the professor would not be able to have taught the course. You're stubborn.

 

[England my lionheart]

"Natural" isn't necessarily good.

Keeping slaves isn't natural or good but consenting sex between two people is a natural human instinct.

 

[England my lionheart]

BULLCRAP.

You said "i'm 100% sure islam is true" and i asking you to prove it.

 

[MyM]

You said "i'm 100% sure islam is true" and i asking you to prove it.

The Quran, and if you really want to learn, go read it. warning: The Quran is a book for the understanding.

 

[England my lionheart]

The Quran, and if you really want to learn, go read it. warning: The Quran is a book for the understanding.

Zakir ('im a doctor) Naik,really although i did find his "how to deal with an atheist" amusing,i already guessed you would produce the quran as proof its pretty much the standard response.

 

[MyM]

Zakir ('im a doctor) Naik,really although i did find his "how to deal with an atheist" amusing,i already guessed you would produce the quran as proof its pretty much the standard response.

and yet you cannot dispute him lol the joke is on you....go ahead....FIND HIM WRONG.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Well here he is blaming rape victims for being raped.

"In 2004 Naik, at the invitation of the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia, made an appearance at the University of Melbourne, where he argued that only Islam gave women true equality. He said the more "revealing Western dress" makes women more susceptible to rape."

Well, that seems logical.
What would be the point of wearing clothes that don't cover a woman's beauty, other than advertising it?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Sorry but I fear you are missing my point. The creation myth is of course plagiarised at least in part, as is the Islamic religion, which like Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, religions change and evolve and spawn new religions. However this is not the point. The point was scientific errors in the Quran. I realise many believers in the light of modern scientific discoveries, try to get past this by resorting to allegory, but that doesn't help, as the idea a deity with limitless power and intelligence can't create and communicate a definitive and unequivocal message, is irrational to the point of absurdity. Especially if that deity is also claimed to have limitless mercy, and whether people believe its message has dire consequences.

It seems though Allah in the Quran had already said some of its verses are Allegorical:

"He it is who has bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, containing messages that are clear in and by themselves - and these are the essence of the divine writ - as well as others that are allegorical. Now those whose hearts are given to swerving from the truth go after that part of the divine writ which as been expressed in allegory, seeking out [what is bound to create] confusion, and seeking [to arrive at] its final meaning [in an arbitrary manner]; but none save God knows its final meaning. Hence, those who are deeply rooted in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole [of the divine writ] is from our Sustainer - albeit none takes this to heart save those who are endowed with insight" 3:7


I don't know if that makes it for you. But, if the Author of Quran, indeed meant those creation versed to be allegorical, then what? How can we tell though?
Those Hadithes from Muhammad, seem to interpret them allegorical though.

 

[MyM]

I'll leave it to this learned man lol:

You bring this guy omg....anyways

You now proved to me that you don't want to learn about Islam but to mock it. You said you want evidences, I gave you the video FILLED WITH SCIENCES FROM THE QURAN. Yet, you don't wish to listen or try to disprove and make fun of the speaker. This is typical with athiests. When it doesn't suit them, they mock, criticize and try to find things that benefit them and leave out what was confronted to them.

typical response. Any hater of Islam will go and find something wrong with it on their level. I guess you did.

 

[England my lionheart]

You bring this guy omg....anyways

You now proved to me that you don't want to learn about Islam but to mock it. You said you want evidences, I gave you the video FILLED WITH SCIENCES FROM THE QURAN. Yet, you don't wish to listen or try to disprove and make fun of the speaker. This is typical with athiests. When it doesn't suit them, they mock, criticize and try to find things that benefit them and leave out what was confronted to them.

typical response. Any hater of Islam will go and find something wrong with it on their level. I guess you did.

He made himself look foolish and needed no help from me,i dont hate any religion and anyone can believe what they want but proseytising religions forget that their books are books of faith not facts and certainly not scientific.

 

[MyM]

He made himself look foolish and needed no help from me,i dont hate any religion and anyone can believe what they want but proseytising religions forget that their books are books of faith not facts and certainly not scientific.

That's your belief not mine.

 

[Sheldon]

Well, that seems logical.

Well it's pretty clear from your relentless use of known logical fallacies, that you don't have the first clue what is logical by now.

What would be the point of wearing clothes that don't cover a woman's beauty, other than advertising it?

Do you wear a burqa? If you were raped would that mean it was your fault?