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WonderingWorrier

Active Member
Oh, I get it.
You discovered hidden, magical signs and codes in the Bible and Quran that prove they are true.
Fair enough. Shame that these magical codes and signs are so well hidden that no one else can see them.


The symbols/signs are clear to see.

Take a closer look at these verses that I showed earlier.


Instead of looking at the physical moon, stars, and sun for signs, just think of the words moon, stars, and sun as being three signs.


And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke 21:25


And the words spear, sword, and the bow also being three signs.


Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows. Nehemiah 4:13



Now the sun and moon signs are being verified by two weapon signs from the other set in this verse:

The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Habakkuk 3:11


The sun and moon signs are in fixed positions.

Moon - Star - Sun
Spear
- Sword - Bow

The verse is combining two different sets of signs and leaving one sign out from each set.
Showing the moon sign as the spear sign, and the sun sign as the bow sign.

Are you able to follow that?

That means there would have to be a "Star Sword" to confirm it.

Would you agree?
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
The symbols/signs are clear to see.

Take a closer look at these verses that I showed earlier.


Instead of looking at the physical moon, stars, and sun for signs, just think of the words moon, stars, and sun as being three signs.


And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke 21:25


And the words spear, sword, and the bow also being three signs.


Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows. Nehemiah 4:13



Now the sun and moon signs are being verified by two weapon signs from the other set in this verse:

The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Habakkuk 3:11


The sun and moon signs are in fixed positions.

Moon - Star - Sun
Spear
- Sword - Bow

The verse is combining two different sets of signs and leaving one sign out from each set.
Showing the moon sign as the spear sign, and the sun sign as the bow sign.

Are you able to follow that?

That means there would have to be a "Star Sword" to confirm it.

Would you agree?
No, and this seem like subjective gibberish to me sorry.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Yes, I am sure
Alhamdulillah !
Ramadan starts in a couple of weeks time.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be with him, is reported to have said "If you knew what reward you were receiving in Ramadan, you would wish it was Ramadan all year round".
SubhanAllah ! It is a Mercy to the whole world.
Where would we all be without it? :oops:
 

WonderingWorrier

Active Member
No, and this seem like subjective gibberish to me sorry.

I wonder why you are not able to follow the logic and reason of the signs.


I will put it in another similar way.



This verse shows three signs, the words Red, Purple, and Blue.

And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the Lord commanded Moses. Exodus 39:1



This verse shows another three signs, the words Brass, Silver, and Gold.
And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass. Exodus 25:3



This verse is verifying the signs by combining two different sets of signs and leaving one sign out from each set:

Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men. Jeremiah 10:9


Showing the purple sign as the silver sign, and the blue sign as the gold sign.

Red - Purple - Blue
Brass - Silver - Gold


Are you able to follow that?

Which means there would have to be "Red Brass" to further confirm the signs.

Would you agree?
 

WonderingWorrier

Active Member
No, and this seem like subjective gibberish to me sorry.

As in this verse the combining two sets of three signs and leaving one sign out from each set.


Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. Isaiah 41:2


Sword is dust, Stubble is bow.

Straw - Dust - Stubble
Spear - Sword - Bow


Swords can be turned into dust, and bows can be turned into stubble, as spears can be turned into straw.

With logic and reason.

Are you unable to comprehend that?
 

WonderingWorrier

Active Member
No, and this seem like subjective gibberish to me sorry.

I'm now showing you multiple sign verification as multiple two sets of three signs, plus verses that shows two out of three of each set.

The verses with two signs out of three signs leaves them open for the missing signs to be identified as a verification method. The process of elimination.

Like I said:

Are you able to follow that?

That means there would have to be a "Star Sword" to confirm it.

Would you agree?

Are you able to follow that?

Which means there would have to be "Red Brass" to further confirm the signs.

Would you agree?

Swords can be turned into dust, and bows can be turned into stubble, as spears can be turned into straw.

With logic and reason.

Are you unable to comprehend that?


I can show more sign verification of what is said in the verses.
But I'm also trying to show sign verification by what is not said. A process of elimination.



If the verification verse is correct then the two single missing signs from the verse would have to exist.


Is there a star sword, red brass, and straw spear?

That is a simple verification process that I hope you can understand.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
The symbols/signs are clear to see.
Not to most people.

Take a closer look at these verses that I showed earlier.
Instead of looking at the physical moon, stars, and sun for signs, just think of the words moon, stars, and sun as being three signs.
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke 21:25
And the words spear, sword, and the bow also being three signs.
Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows. Nehemiah 4:13
Now the sun and moon signs are being verified by two weapon signs from the other set in this verse:
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Habakkuk 3:11
The sun and moon signs are in fixed positions.
Moon - Star - Sun
Spear
- Sword - Bow
The verse is combining two different sets of signs and leaving one sign out from each set.
Showing the moon sign as the spear sign, and the sun sign as the bow sign.
Are you able to follow that?
That means there would have to be a "Star Sword" to confirm it.
Would you agree?
Still none the wiser.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
I wonder why you are not able to follow the logic and reason of the signs.


I will put it in another similar way.



This verse shows three signs, the words Red, Purple, and Blue.

And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the Lord commanded Moses. Exodus 39:1



This verse shows another three signs, the words Brass, Silver, and Gold.
And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass. Exodus 25:3



This verse is verifying the signs by combining two different sets of signs and leaving one sign out from each set:

Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men. Jeremiah 10:9


Showing the purple sign as the silver sign, and the blue sign as the gold sign.

Red - Purple - Blue
Brass - Silver - Gold


Are you able to follow that?

Which means there would have to be "Red Brass" to further confirm the signs.

Would you agree?

I see no signs here, just a bare subjective claim?
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Alhamdulillah !
Ramadan starts in a couple of weeks time.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be with him, is reported to have said "If you knew what reward you were receiving in Ramadan, you would wish it was Ramadan all year round".
SubhanAllah ! It is a Mercy to the whole world.
Where would we all be without it? :oops:
You probably wouldn't believe Christians and Jews are cursed and liars. Wouldn't believe people go to a fictional hell (awful doom), and possibly be open to learning what things are true based on logical thinking rather than indoctrination and things written in stories.
 

WonderingWorrier

Active Member
Not to most people.

Still none the wiser.

The words/signs are clear.

But yeah the sentences are not clear if taken literally.
And yeah the sentences are also not clear if subjectively interpreting them to mean something different than what they say.

But the words are still clear. They are not vague. The words and sentences are specific details.

Strange details. Nonsense to most.

I'm saying when the words are known as being symbols/signs then the words and sentences start making sense in what they are saying.



When I started school we were given in class lots of reading and comprehension tests. I really enjoyed them.

Read a story, then read the questions, and choose from multiple choice answers.
Then a lady came to our school and tested me. I was told my reading and comprehension was above average for an adult. Thats well above my age group at the time of 5-6 year olds.

I've been called a genius throughout my life (I don't think of myself as a genius. I'm smart enough to know that I can be wrong).



I'm trying to show you something.



And I'm trying to make it as simple as possible since I know you are having trouble with it.

I'm having trouble explaining the words are symbols and each symbol is in a certain level.


I have a question for you.
Are you able to understand that these words are at different levels of height?


Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream

The mountain is higher than the hill. The hill is higher than the valley.
The stream is higher than the river. The river is higher than the sea.

That is the most simple way of explaining that i can think of at the moment.
 

WonderingWorrier

Active Member
I see no signs here, just a bare subjective claim?

Can you see the two verses that both have three word sets?
Can you see a combination verse that has four of the words from the sets but leaves one word out of each set?


The combination verse could be considered verification of a single set by how it has joined into another set and so making two pairs.

And if the pairing of the words is correct, then the missing word from each set must also be a pair.
So its not just about what is said, its also about what is not said.

All three pairs must be considered if the two pairs verse is to be considered correct.


Three words/symbols/signs:
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke 21:25

Three words/symbols/signs:
Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows. Nehemiah 4:13




Combination of words/signs/symbols:
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Habakkuk 3:11


Moon/spear and sun/bow:

Moon - Star - Sun
Spear
- Sword - Bow


So the star/sword would be the missing pair.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
No, and this seem like subjective gibberish to me sorry.
Man's a genius, don't you know. People keep telling him. If we can't understand what he's saying it is clearly our substandard intellect that is the problem.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I agree with you here. After I posted my previous post, I was thinking about this situation. I think those are Mormons or born again!
But, that is not my religion
So you accept that religious belief can lead to actual harm and danger. (There are many other examples)

Can I have an example?
"The only punishment for waging war on Allah or spreading mischief is to be linked, crucified, dismembered or exiled" - 5:33
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred lashes: Let not compassion still your hand" - 1:64
"I will inflict unbearable torture on disbelievers for eternity" - Several passages

There are other examples.

First of all, If there is a danger for a person who is fasting, it is a Sin to fast. The person should eat and drink.
So people should generally be allowed to drink water occasionally while fasting.

Can you also show me where and who says Muslim fasting is not healthy?
Medical advice is to drink water (or other similar fluids) when thirsty. To avoid doing so will lead to dehydration, which can be dangerous.
Harvard Medical School recommends drinking regularly throughout the day - two to three cups per hour in hot conditions or if doing physical work.
Dry fasting can be dangerous. Since you’re not allowed to drink water, you run the risk of dehydration and other complications including urinary and kidney problems. - Healthline
Dry fasting could cause dehydration, urinary tract infections, kidney stones, organ failure — even death. There are no known, proven long-term benefits to doing it. There is no medical evidence to suggest you need to stop consuming water for any period of time - LA Times
Many doctors consider dry fasting a dangerous practice. - WebMD

Intermittent fasting (restricting calorie intake) can be beneficial (but not if you binge on high carb and fat foods when hot fasting).
Not drinking any fluids for 10-16 hours is never healthy and can be dangerous. You really shouldn't be doing it.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Alhamdulillah !
Ramadan starts in a couple of weeks time.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be with him, is reported to have said "If you knew what reward you were receiving in Ramadan, you would wish it was Ramadan all year round".
SubhanAllah ! It is a Mercy to the whole world.
Where would we all be without it? :oops:
If people didn't drink any fluids for 12-16 hours during the day, all year round, many would become very ill and some would die.
Maybe you can explain how that would be "a mercy to the world"? Did you mean that the resulting deaths would help negate overpopulation?
 

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
So you accept that religious belief can lead to actual harm and danger. (There are many other examples)

Sure, I accept, but not Islam

"The only punishment for waging war on Allah or spreading mischief is to be linked, crucified, dismembered or exiled" - 5:33
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred lashes: Let not compassion still your hand" - 1:64
"I will inflict unbearable torture on disbelievers for eternity" - Several passages

There are other examples.

I forgot what we were talking about here, but...
The first example, you didn't copy/paste right (Maybe a mistake, or you are a dishonest person)
2 conditions must be present for that ruling (highlighted below)
"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter."

In the Islamic estate, the prophet was considered as the president
let me ask you a question; What will happen now if someone wages war against the president and spread corruption in your country?

Your second example is if people commit adultery in the privacy of their homes, no one can punish them, no one is allowed to spy on them, but, if they took it to the public in an islamic state, that goes against the rules of the state and the law must be applied

Your third example, that is not in this life, since you don't believe in that, there is nothing to worry about

So people should generally be allowed to drink water occasionally while fasting.

Medical advice is to drink water (or other similar fluids) when thirsty. To avoid doing so will lead to dehydration, which can be dangerous.
Harvard Medical School recommends drinking regularly throughout the day - two to three cups per hour in hot conditions or if doing physical work.
Dry fasting can be dangerous. Since you’re not allowed to drink water, you run the risk of dehydration and other complications including urinary and kidney problems. - Healthline
Dry fasting could cause dehydration, urinary tract infections, kidney stones, organ failure — even death. There are no known, proven long-term benefits to doing it. There is no medical evidence to suggest you need to stop consuming water for any period of time - LA Times
Many doctors consider dry fasting a dangerous practice. - WebMD

Intermittent fasting (restricting calorie intake) can be beneficial (but not if you binge on high carb and fat foods when hot fasting).
Not drinking any fluids for 10-16 hours is never healthy and can be dangerous. You really shouldn't be doing it.

"Ramadan fasting is safe and healthy provided that overall food and water intake is adequate, it has been shown to improve control over type 2 diabetics during Ramadan fasting, but individuals with medical conditions should seek medical advice if they encounter health problems before or during fasting. The fasting period is usually associated with significant weight loss for both males and females, but weight can return after Ramadan depending on personal diet. Overall, Ramadan provides an opportunity to lose weight, but structured and consistent lifestyle modifications are necessary to achieve lasting weight loss" (Wikipedia)
 
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