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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's interesting to consider the relationship between logical inference as the core of a philosophical approach to understanding God with the intellect on the one hand, and the mystical approach of leaving beyond logic and the mind altogether to join in blissful unity. Personally, I think one can do one without the other, but that they can also work very well together in a mature system. In fact, I think for some people they need to - without the logical philosophical approach complementing the surrendering, loving approach I don't think I'd have much of a leg to stand on, as the former provides a needed foundation upon which the latter can be developed. Development ultimately reaches a state, I understand, where you realise you were already there to begin with :)

That's an interesting perspective, albeit one I don't personally share. I think, however, that if it works for you, that's the main thing. As for myself, I think intellectually studying these things is quite appropriate for someone (such as myself most days) who wants to intellectually understand them -- at least to the extent that's possible. But if I wanted to experience these things, I'd take another approach -- most likely meditation, etc. However, that's just me. Everyone must find their own way, I think.

I'd like to share a quick story in relation to that, which you may have heard before:

A woman had spent the day at a friend's house, and had just got home when she realised she'd left her necklace there. She immediately ran back to her friend's house, only for her friend to point out to her that in fact she was already wearing the necklace, and had been all along.

Begging the question, did she need to have run to her friend's house to find the necklace?

I've never heard that story before, but it's perfect. Thanks for sharing that!



A key thing to this is that the Absolute (I can say God, or Shiva, or whatever) is not two, there is no duality. Whereas in the everyday world of appearances there is certainly duality, there is me and you, there is this jar-standing-in-for-a-mug and drink within it, etc. That could be 'the mundane'.

That strikes me as an excellent way of distinguishing between the two. I use a different definition of "spiritual", but it strikes me how related it is to your distinction. Like looking at much the same thing from two different angles.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
@Sunstone Who do you think would win a 100 yd dash, your lion or my horse?

Well, my lion is pretty darn old these days. We'd need to be talking a 20 yard dash with a 15 yard head start for him, if we wanted to make sure he'd win. On the other hand, he's quite willing and liable to toss his cane at your horse's legs in a sneaky attempt to trip him up! I myself deplore such cheating, but I've never been able to convince him it's actually out of bounds behavior. He thinks what is a good way to treat the kids who get on our grass is a fair way to treat a horse in a race.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Well, my lion is pretty darn old these days. We'd need to be talking a 20 yard dash with a 15 yard head start for him, if we wanted to make sure he'd win. On the other hand, he's quite willing and liable to toss his cane at your horse's legs in a sneaky attempt to trip him up! I myself deplore such cheating, but I've never been able to convince him it's actually out of bounds behavior. He thinks what is a good way to treat the kids who get on our grass is a fair way to treat a horse in a race.

ha! How about back when he was in his prime?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
ha! How about back when he was in his prime?

So far as I've heard, lions beat zebras only about 25% of the time. And even then, they are using chasing the young, the old, the sick and the weak. So, I wonder if, even in his prime, my lion would do much better against your horses?
 
@Mr Spinkles Which, in your opinion, is typically more work: Coming up with the right question to ask, or answering the right question?
Coming up with the right question. And yet you make it look easy, coming up with all of these great questions!

@Sunstone, are there things you don't like about Bernie Sanders or aspects of his platform you disagree with or are uncertain about?
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Note dire, thank God, but serious enough to not go abroad. I still can take my family out to have middle class not costly fun. I haven't received a salary for four months now, and looks like it's gonna get even worse because of the financial/cash flow problems the company I work for is having. My last trip was on a tight budget (for a distant trip, that is) and it was the only one I had with my own savings, which are kinda ruined now haha :D

Anyways, enough pondering over spilled milk ;)

I did my homework and I think it would be Queensland. Dunno in which part of Australia this is. However, if New Zealand had a mangrove tree line and a river connected to it, it would most likely be a good alternative since such environment is where mud crabs are found. I think it's expensive for me to go to Australia too, but you can say it's a passing wishful thinking post thought. I actually wanted to say Jakarta, Indonesia first, since flying there and hotel prices are really cheap for an abroad trip. Is ~$1,200 USD good for a flight + a 10 stay in a nice hotel with breakfast in your opinion?

Auckland in the North Island has Mango Swamps.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
@Sunstone, are there things you don't like about Bernie Sanders or aspects of his platform you disagree with or are uncertain about?

One of my concerns with Sanders' platform is how he pays for it all. I've heard opposing views on whether his proposed means will be sufficient, or even whether some of his means will work at all. This being an election year, the "rumors" (read, "misinformation") are flying fast and thick. So it's rather difficult to sort out the facts.

I hear much talk of Sanders being a socialist who intends to destroy the system. Yet overall, I think Sanders' platform is not meant to fundamentally change the system, but rather meant to reform the system enough to save it. In that respect, I think he's more in the tradition of FDR and the New Deal, than in the tradition of, say, Eugene Debs.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
@Revoltingest Other than "capitalist" what kind of engineer are you, and do you count "software" as a true kind of engineering?
I am...er...was a mechanical engineer, specializing in design of new products.
(No one ever stops being an engineer. There's no cure. I'm a "recovering" engineer.)
I've worked in aerospace, heavy machinery, medical & automotive industries.
My favorite projects were in areas where we advanced the technology.
I worked mostly as an outside contractor for companies because I preferred
the independence & variety of work....& there's always a light at the tunnel's end.
Software engineering is indeed engineering. (But not all code is "engineered".)

Turning the tables....
How did you get addicted to playing go?
What do you like about it?
What aspects do you find most difficult?
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I just can't bring myself to read the rest ...
... but whatever the reason, know that I wish you and @Sunstone the very best. :(

Did I ever say I didn't choose you? Trust me, this polyamory thing is all about time management.

And I just can't see you on a clown bicycle like I can with Phil. I don't know. Doesn't seem right.

After this summer I'm traveling, and I want to take you and your wife out for dinner. I've owed you that for several years now. So here's my reassurance, I'd choose you for the protest stories and that one story of the topless woman with a carrot you told me one time. You tell a damn good story even though you don't think you do. ;)
 

Chakra

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
@Chakra what kind of threads do you wish you saw more of on RF?
Definitely more on the current events/technological advancements and politics rather than evolution or conspiracy theories. Every week there seems to be a popular post on evolution, the moon landing "hoax", Muhammad's character, etc. There should be more threads on virtual reality, 3-d printing, augmented eyewear, lab-grown meat, self-driving cars etc.
 
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I am...er...was a mechanical engineer, specializing in design of new products.
(No one ever stops being an engineer. There's no cure. I'm a "recovering" engineer.)
I've worked in aerospace, heavy machinery, medical & automotive industries.
My favorite projects were in areas where we advanced the technology.
I worked mostly as an outside contractor for companies because I preferred
the independence & variety of work....& there's always a light at the tunnel's end.
Software engineering is indeed engineering. (But not all code is "engineered".)

Turning the tables....
How did you get addicted to playing go?
What do you like about it?
What aspects do you find most difficult?

My main client these days "accuses" me of engineering. It seems I can't stay on the wagon. I go a few days and then, without even noticing, I find myself engineering again. It's always the same: asking for requirements, creating APIs, thinking about the UX... I'm my own worst enemy.

Ah Go. I was a chess player, and when I went to university the chess players were jerks and the Go players were cool - that got me started. Go has a built in handicapping system, that's used almost universally. As you get stronger, you're given a more difficult handicap to deal with. In this way, it's guaranteed that no matter how good you get, you will always lose about half your games. This helps keep your ego in check :)

It might seem kind of woo-woo, but I'm with many Go players who think that your game mirrors your personality (or perhaps your current mood). If you're honest, you can see when your bad play displays ego, greed, lack of faith, arrogance, impatience and so on. So of course you try to make your play humble, equitable, honest, respectful, patient and so on.

More concretely, to play well you have to zoom in to assess complex local battles, and then you have to zoom out to assess how the local battles will impact the entire game.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I write erotic novels. Not romance but s/m, rape etc.

I don't mean to invade your privacy, but if one did know your name, could one find your books on Amazon? I'm asking for a friend.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't mean to invade your privacy, but if one did know your name, could one find your books on Amazon? I'm asking for a friend.
No, I have nothing published unfortunately. Most of it will be rejected because it's 'too far' and contains illegal matter, if that makes sense. I have tried several times.
 
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