Ask me about Evolution

[FearGod]

It's certainly not perfect considering how many animals have gone extinct, and it's not perfect considering how a lot of what keeps us alive also attributes to our aging and death (and I don't mean just humans).

Without death the earth will be overpopulated.

And it might, and it might not. There are plenty of "failures" in the fossil record that's why they aren't here anymore. Mind you some of the most simplistic things are the ones that have survived longest as well.

How they did live while there were some failures in the first place.

I wouldn't say it is controlled, or designed. I would simply say Evolution was put into place as a way for creatures to survive. But it certainly does not appear controlled (again plenty of extinct organisms), and designed (why are the tubes that we use to eat and breath right next to each other?)

What a much better design you can propose for the tubes ?

But you still didn't answer my question...do you think that the way that others view God is okay? That their definition of Gods are just due to their own experiences and thus should be accepted?

Everyone is responsible for his own way of life,so i don't judge anyone.

 

[Falvlun]

Because as i showed you that God asked us to search for the truth by travelling on earth for the evidences of how life have been orginated,which is by science.

Disregarding, for the moment, the fact that you used scripture to somehow support your claim that your belief shouldn't be considered religious areyoucra), if God told you to study the Earth in a scientific manner, then why do you not accept the conclusions of people who have done precisely that?

Prove me wrong by science.
Can you disprove that God do exist by science.

I can't, nor have I argued that science claims that God doesn't exist. Such an argumentation is not necessary to know that the theory of evolution is well-evidenced knowledge about how the world works.

Science doesn't say anything about the existence of malevolent aliens causing diseases either.

Why? Because neither God nor aliens are relevant to the theory of evolution or germ theory.

Call it whatever you wish,but the answer is that you can't make a perfect job without a prior plan and design,that is science too.

Huh?

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Without death the earth will be overpopulated.

Death isn't necessarily needed to prevent overpopulation. What would be needed is a certain lack of reproduction.

Also, he said extinction, which is death to an entire species, not an individual. And extinction is definitely not needed to prevent overpopulation in any way.

How they did live while there were some failures in the first place.

It's not like if they have a disadvantage, they're just snuffed out of existence in an instant. The population of said species dwindles over time.

What a much better design you can propose for the tubes ?

How about no path leading from the mouth to the lungs or the nose to the stomach? Extremely simple a child could think of it.

Everyone is responsible for his own way of life,so i don't judge anyone.

People and other life-forms interact. So we all have some responsibility towards each other. Everyone is subjected to influence from the environment around them, which has other people in it.

 

[FearGod]

Disregarding, for the moment, the fact that you used scripture to somehow support your claim that your belief shouldn't be considered religious areyoucra), if God told you to study the Earth in a scientific manner, then why do you not accept the conclusions of people who have done precisely that?

They did (people) but in a manner to refute God's existance which i don't agree with.

I can't, nor have I argued that science claims that God doesn't exist. Such an argumentation is not necessary to know that the theory of evolution is well-evidenced knowledge about how the world works.

Science doesn't say anything about the existence of malevolent aliens causing diseases either.

Why? Because neither God nor aliens are relevant to the theory of evolution or germ theory.

So since science can't disprove god's existance then the possibility that God does control the proccess of evolution is still possible too.

Many Scientists See God's Hand in Evolution

 

[Agnostic75]

I believe that evolution is controlled,observed and managed by an intelligent supernatural deity.

Nothing can work without perfect plan & design.

If you are given all the pieces that is needed to make one TV set, then I asked you to try randomly to connect pieces in order for the TV to work.

if you'll do it randomly for billions of years, do you think the TV will work and electricity will be always ready for you.

Probably not, but living organisms are much difference than a television.

Eternal naturalistic energy with certain attributes is just as reasonable a possibility as an eternal, conscious, self-aware God. Eternal naturalistic energy would not have a purpose, and goals like the gods of various religions do. Such energy would simply do what its nature requires it to do, just as the God of the Bible's nature requires him to do what he does.

Where did possible eternal naturalistic energy get its attributes from? From nowhere since it always had them, just like the supposed God of the Bible has always had his attributes.

 

[savagewind]

i believe that evolution is controlled,observed and managed by an intelligent supernatural deity.

Nothing can work without perfect plan & design.

If you are given all the pieces that is needed to make one TV set,then i asked you to try randomly to connect pieces in order for the TV to work.

if you'll do it randomly for billions of years,do you think the TV will work and electricity will be always ready for you.

Even with all the pieces available I cannot imaging me doing it. There are some people who can do it. But then you need electricity. You need something to watch. You need a generator for the electricity. You need energy for the generator. You need time (what is time?). All of these things coming together by no plan at all? Impossible!

 

[bobhikes]

Why is evolution so important that the common man/woman or religious man/woman needs to understand it fully and accept it fully.

Most Science is kept with those that are scientists or like science.

For example hardly any common or religious person knows quantum physics, which is a rather important science and many people have a hard time accepting some of its theories yet, we don't challenge people that don't support quantum physics.

We are generally fine with people that believe that aliens have landed, have been captured by the government or have taken people for probing. There is even a forum for this.

But somehow a person that wants to believe in Creationism is ruining this world and somehow causing major problems for the science of evolution.

I just want to know why, Why is evolution is such jepordy it needs this rabid defense.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I just want to know why, Why is evolution is such jepordy it needs this rabid defense.

Superstition and anti-intellectualism leads to ignorance and irrational views and behaviors, and impedes reasoned and sensical progress and development.

 

[Agnostic75]

Why is evolution so important that the common man/woman or religious man/woman needs to understand it fully and accept it fully.

Most Science is kept with those that are scientists or like science.

For example hardly any common or religious person knows quantum physics, which is a rather important science and many people have a hard time accepting some of its theories yet, we don't challenge people that don't support quantum physics.

We are generally fine with people that believe that aliens have landed, have been captured by the government or have taken people for probing. There is even a forum for this.

But somehow a person that wants to believe in Creationism is ruining this world and somehow causing major problems for the science of evolution.

I just want to know why, Why is evolution in such jeopardy it needs this rabid defense?

Are you familiar with the Dover trial? It showed that evolution needed to be defended, or at least that creationism, and intelligent design needed to be opposed.

In the U.S., creationists are largely the same group of people who oppose abortion, stem cell research, physician assisted suicide, same-sex marriage, and homosexuality. That is because they tend to interpret the Bible literally, including the story of Adam and Eve.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

We are generally fine with people that believe that aliens have landed, have been captured by the government or have taken people for probing. There is even a forum for this.

There are much less people like this. Also, religious institutions have a lot more power than these people, thus, need a lot more concern.

 

[FearGod]

Death isn't necessarily needed to prevent overpopulation. What would be needed is a certain lack of reproduction.

All should be tested and should visit this world,that at least what i believe,so reproduction is needed

Also, he said extinction, which is death to an entire species, not an individual. And extinction is definitely not needed to prevent overpopulation in any way.

Species,so what,God had already wiped nations such as in Noah flood

It's not like if they have a disadvantage, they're just snuffed out of existence in an instant. The population of said species dwindles over time.

Thats prove nothing.

How about no path leading from the mouth to the lungs or the nose to the stomach? Extremely simple a child could think of it.

Yes,only simple child think in such away.

How do the lungs protect themselves?

The lungs have several ways of protecting themselves from irritants. First, the nose acts as a filter when breathing in, preventing large particles of pollutants from entering the lungs. If an irritant does enter the lung, it will get stuck in a thin layer of mucus (also called sputum or phlegm) that lines the inside of the breathing tubes. An average of 3 ounces of mucus are secreted onto the lining of these breathing tubes every day. This mucus is "swept up" toward the mouth by little hairs called cilia that line the breathing tubes. Cilia move mucus from the lungs upward toward the throat to the epiglottis. The epiglottis is the gate, which opens allowing the mucus to be swallowed. This occurs without us even thinking about it. Spitting up sputum is not "normal" and does not occur unless the individual has chronic bronchitis or there is an infection, such as a chest cold, pneumonia or an exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

Reference : Anatomy and Function of the Normal Lung

People and other life-forms interact. So we all have some responsibility towards each other. Everyone is subjected to influence from the environment around them, which has other people in it.

We have free will to choose.

 

[Warren Clark]

Are you sure 100% that this what had happened thousands of years ago or just a guess-work.

whether random mutations & Natural selection or a designer,you can't prove any, but since there is intellegince in the designed universe then we can't neglect a designer to be behind it.

We can agree if we are talking about applied science similar to the figure shown,
all of us will agree that once the switch is on then the light will be on,no place for discussion here.

Its the best explanation science has been able to come up with regarding the same procedures of testing a conductivity in an electrical current.

I would encourage a dialogue with a tenured biologist who can explain further than I can in regarding to the genes of which affect maternal instinct.

Its known that species at birth need to survive in order to carry out in numbers.

Some animals lay countless eggs (sometimes abandoning them) and only a few of them will hatch and mature into adults.
Other animals will giver birth to smaller amounts of offspring at a time and nurture them.
A species that only gives birth to one offspring and abandons it (killing it unintentionally) will shortly die out. But if the species takes care of its young, the species will live on. This is known as "natural selection".

Now many things come into play.
Such as when we look at a baby, our brains react kind of funny.

"Our findings suggest that engagement of the mesocorticolimbic system is the neurophysiologic mechanism by which baby schema promotes human caregiving, regardless of kinship."
Baby schema modulates the brain reward system in nulliparous women

There is no intelligence in our design. Sorry, none at all. Just because we have a nose to breath does not make it intelligence behind our design. Everything evolved over time to get to where it is today. And they still have their flaws. Such as the nose being a primary entry and release of viruses that have been known to kill us without vaccination. (Vaccination is only possible thanks to evolution theory)

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

All should be tested and should visit this world,that at least what i believe,so reproduction is needed

But if there's a divine creator, there's many alternatives to death to prevent overpopulation. Especially if this divine creator can do whatever he wants.

Species,so what,God had already wiped nations such as in Noah flood

And why is that necessary?

Thats prove nothing.

Don't just say it is. Explain why it proves nothing.

Yes,only simple child think in such away.

Not only. That's just the level of rational all one needs in this case.

How do the lungs protect themselves?

Ask the dolphins.

The lungs have several ways of protecting themselves from irritants. First, the nose acts as a filter when breathing in, preventing large particles of pollutants from entering the lungs. If an irritant does enter the lung, it will get stuck in a thin layer of mucus (also called sputum or phlegm) that lines the inside of the breathing tubes. An average of 3 ounces of mucus are secreted onto the lining of these breathing tubes every day. This mucus is "swept up" toward the mouth by little hairs called cilia that line the breathing tubes. Cilia move mucus from the lungs upward toward the throat to the epiglottis. The epiglottis is the gate, which opens allowing the mucus to be swallowed. This occurs without us even thinking about it. Spitting up sputum is not "normal" and does not occur unless the individual has chronic bronchitis or there is an infection, such as a chest cold, pneumonia or an exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

With the negative effect of being a possibility of the reverse happening. Things entering through the mouth and ending up being choked on. Something dolphins and fish don't have to worry about.

We have free will to choose.

Proof?

Or is that just something you're comfortable in believing in because you couldn't imagine it any other way?

Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide” | Exploring The Mind!

 

[Warren Clark]

They aren't connected

Not a lick of sense is being made.
you will have to define what you mean by "intellectual discovers" or something.

Something isn't adding up in what you are trying to get across.

 

[Warren Clark]

Why is evolution so important that the common man/woman or religious man/woman needs to understand it fully and accept it fully.

Most Science is kept with those that are scientists or like science.

For example hardly any common or religious person knows quantum physics, which is a rather important science and many people have a hard time accepting some of its theories yet, we don't challenge people that don't support quantum physics.

We are generally fine with people that believe that aliens have landed, have been captured by the government or have taken people for probing. There is even a forum for this.

But somehow a person that wants to believe in Creationism is ruining this world and somehow causing major problems for the science of evolution.

I just want to know why, Why is evolution is such jepordy it needs this rabid defense.

Because people who are ignorant of the facts are the ones who spread misinformation. People like Kirk Cameron and Bill O'Reilly.

Then you have people who cross a line by saying that evolution is NOT true and try to shove an agenda into the science class room.

This can degrade a society as did in the dark ages when scientific advancement was stumped by religious extremism.

I will not witness people inadvertently drag us into another dark age if I can help it. Not saying that it would be as severe as the previous one.

 

[FearGod]

But if there's a divine creator, there's many alternatives to death to prevent overpopulation. Especially if this divine creator can do whatever he wants.

What other alternatives ?

And why is that necessary?

How can i know ?

Don't just say it is. Explain why it proves nothing.

What it did prove then ?

Not only. That's just the level of rational all one needs in this case.



Ask the dolphins.



With the negative effect of being a possibility of the reverse happening. Things entering through the mouth and ending up being choked on. Something dolphins and fish don't have to worry about.

How many person die every year due to choke,please your source and statistic

Proof?

Or is that just something you're comfortable in believing in because you couldn't imagine it any other way?

Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide” | Exploring The Mind!

My decision ,it is my brain that makes the decision that i know after 7 seconds.,Lol

That is a funny statement,are you saying that my brain isn't me.
if so,i agree of course that my soul (me) is different than my body & brain.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

What other alternatives ?

Use your imagination. We're talking about a creator that's omnipotent. How about an Earth with infinite space and resources? Shouldn't be too hard for a divine creator.

Or at least give everyone biological immortality, reducing the need of reproduction.

How can i know ?

You're the one who's saying extinction is necessary for preventing overpopulation.

What it did prove then ?

It proved why a "failed" species still spends some time being extant. Technically, they're not failed until they're extinct as that's what's being used to define a failed species.

How many person die every year due to choke,please your source and statistic

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One of the leading causes of death in children. All because of either an incompetent creator, or there isn't one.

My decision ,it is my brain that makes the decision that i know after 7 seconds.,Lol

Your "decision" is still mostly determined by external influence as well as your background, which it self, is 100% determined by the environment.

 

[Warren Clark]

I am not arguing that similar DNA "denotes relatedness". I am arguing that it does not prove it. Tell you what. You prove to me you know the difference between indicate and prove. and I'll leave you alone. OK? I won't talk about evolution any more. I don't think I mean forever, but for a while, until the next time.

Proof is in the evidence. The evidence provided in a sense is the proof. The only way you can get similar DNA is through reproduction.
If there is any other way, please provide that way.
Otherwise this is a conversation going nowhere.
We have provided the proof/evidence you need.
Now it is your turn to suggest why DNA between species share such significant similarities. Then supply evidence to support your hypothesis.

 

[FearGod]

Use your imagination. We're talking about a creator that's omnipotent. How about an Earth with infinite space and resources? Shouldn't be too hard for a divine creator.

As i said before that i believe the earth is for testing the souls to see who deserve the afterlife,bad people do exist and don't deserve living for eternity.

Or at least give everyone biological immortality, reducing the need of reproduction.

Because that isn't the purpose of our existance on earth.

You're the one who's saying extinction is necessary for preventing overpopulation.

i didn't say extinction is necessary for preventing overpopulation.

It proved why a "failed" species still spends some time being extant. Technically, they're not failed until they're extinct as that's what's being used to define a failed species.

So for how long the failed species lived before extinction,10 years,100 years or thousands of years and do you think that the common ancestor (man & Apes) have failed and extincted.

B.E.CPR - Become Educated in CPR

One of the leading causes of death in children. All because of either an incompetent creator, or there isn't one.

No i think it is caused by parents negligence and as you can see the report is about children.

Your "decision" is still mostly determined by external influence as well as your background, which it self, is 100% determined by the environment.

Not exactly,like father like son.
Do you think if ones father is criminal then he (the son) will be the same.

 

[Agnostic75]

Prove me wrong by science. Can you disprove that God do exist by science.

The National Academy of Sciences Is neutral about the existence of God. The majority of leading physicists do not believe in God.

Call it whatever you wish, but the answer is that you can't make a perfect job without a prior plan and design, that is science too.

If something has existed eternally, with certain attributes, it might be a conscious, self-aware being who is able to have audible conversations with humans in their own languages, such as the God of Islam, or it might be energy that has the same "creative" attributes, but lacks consciousness, and self-awareness like humans have, and like God supposedly has.

Currently, science cannot settle the existence of the existence of God beyond a reasonable doubt. The search for truth does not have a time limit. A hundred years from now, or a thousand years from now, perhaps the issue of the existence of God will be settled. So, people must use other kinds of evidence to try to settle the issue for themselves.