Ask me about Evolution

[FearGod]

No, but non-scientific explanations are not going to be considered the best scientific explanation. Evolution is the best scientific explanation.

What that to do with science ?

The Change in the orgasim's DNA can be the work of the creator too,depends what you want to call it,naturally occurring or by God's plan,both can work and you can't disprove any.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What that to do with science ?

The Change in the orgasim's DNA can be the work of the creator too,depends what you want to call it,naturally occurring or by God's plan,both can work and you can't disprove any.

Science isn't about what you can't disprove. You can't disprove that change in DNA is brought about by magical, invisible leprechauns either.

Science is about what can be demonstrated. If you can clearly demonstrate the intervention of some form of supernatural agency in the formation of DNA, then by all means go ahead, but at the moment all of the available evidence leads to the conclusion that mutations are random (by most practical definitions of the word) and not pre-determined. If you choose to believe otherwise that is fine, but it is not science.

 

[FearGod]

Science isn't about what you can't disprove. You can't disprove that change in DNA is brought about by magical, invisible leprechauns either.

Science is about what can be demonstrated. If you can clearly demonstrate the intervention of some form of supernatural agency in the formation of DNA, then by all means go ahead, but at the moment all of the available evidence leads to the conclusion that mutations are random (by most practical definitions of the word) and not pre-determined. If you choose to believe otherwise that is fine, but it is not science.

The ability of DNA to mutate in randomness can be already planned by the supernatural power,the same way as we design a software to generate random numbers.

 

[Sculelos]

The ability of DNA to mutate in randomness can be already planned by the supernatural power,the same way as we design a software to generate random numbers.

Indeed.

What most evolutionist try to argue evolution for is that if evolution is real then creation cannot be real or so is the general idea.

However if God really wanted to take Billions of years to do something he certainly could however such a God certainly wouldn't be the God of the Jews, Christians or Muslims, that is for sure.

Is Evolution possible. I'd say yes.

Did Evolution actually happen over 600 or so Million Years? Evidence indicates that such a slow gradual process did not happen and more-so indicates if any evolution happens it is a very rapid process and not that of a slow nature.

Edit: One actual question I have regarding Evolution if the Geological column is a sign of evolutionary progress then why are not the more simple organisms found in higher columns as certainly they would have still been around as they are still around today. Or is it reasonable to think that perhaps Mammals and Reptiles may have been sorted different due to rapid flooding because of their bone types and feed habitats? I mean if you imagine the World exploded today and the land was forced to resettle I think sorting would occur like we see in real examples.

 

[yoda89]

I have one for the OP and the rest. Are we actually evolving now in a broader sense? Yes we are but are there drastic changes. In the wild if you we're not strong enough you died. Not smart or quick enough you died. Now that aspect has left.

Therefore has evolution become irrelevant because it is no longer the quickest, smartest, strongest that spread their genes? Should we not be more focused on engineering our own physical evolution in labs?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The ability of DNA to mutate in randomness can be already planned by the supernatural power,the same way as we design a software to generate random numbers.

Like I said, you're free to believe that - but it is not science.

Indeed.

What most evolutionist try to argue evolution for is that if evolution is real then creation cannot be real or so is the general idea.

Actually, in all the many years I've been involved in this debate, I've never once heard anybody make this argument other than creationists.

Edit: One actual question I have regarding Evolution if the Geological column is a sign of evolutionary progress then why are not the more simple organisms found in higher columns as certainly they would have still been around as they are still around today.

They are.

Or is it reasonable to think that perhaps Mammals and Reptiles may have been sorted different due to rapid flooding because of their bone types and feed habitats?

No, that's not reasonable, because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I mean if you imagine the World exploded today and the land was forced to resettle I think sorting would occur like we see in real examples.

No, it wouldn't. We would see lots of life forms all clumped together in the same layers. We would also see evidence of the event that did it. The things that die in a flood do not just magically "sort" themselves, they would all be mixed up.

 

[FearGod]

Like I said, you're free to believe that - but it is not science.

And you're free to believe the other choice which you call natural,so if we call it natural or supernatural that will make no difference.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I have one for the OP and the rest. Are we actually evolving now in a broader sense? Yes we are but are there drastic changes. In the wild if you we're not strong enough you died. Not smart or quick enough you died. Now that aspect has left.

Therefore has evolution become irrelevant because it is no longer the quickest, smartest, strongest that spread their genes? Should we not be more focused on engineering our own physical evolution in labs?

I think looking at evolution as the environment culling out the slower, stupider, etc, is a bit simplistic.
If the environment is impactful on us, then it could potentially effect evolutionary traits we are passing on to future generations. The fact that these traits aren't causing the death of the host perhaps increases the likelihood of negative traits being widely inherited. Haven't really thought about it enough, but it's interesting.

I guess I am thinking of the impact of things like pollution, ingestion of chemicals, dietary changes (increased sugar and fat, etc), increased information the brain is being asked to process on a daily basis, etc, etc.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

And you're free to believe the other choice which you call natural,so if we call it natural or supernatural that will make no difference.

I don't think you're quite getting the point of what I'm saying. The point is what is and is not science.

 

[FearGod]

I don't think you're quite getting the point of what I'm saying. The point is what is and is not science.

i understand your point,but i made it clear to you that science has nothing to do with it either saying it happened by nature or supernatural power,nothing can be proved.

 

[sonofdad]

i understand your point,but i made it clear to you that science has nothing to do with it either saying it happened by nature or supernatural power,nothing can be proved.

Should we assume that everything has supernatural causes, or just genetic mutations?

 

[FearGod]

Should we assume that everything has supernatural causes, or just genetic mutations?

Depends,atheists assume it to be naturally occurring while people of faith assume a supernatural power behind it.

 

[sonofdad]

Depends,atheists assume it to be naturally occurring while people of faith assume a supernatural power behind it.

It's not an assumption. All the data we have suggests natural causes. There is no data that suggests supernatural causes.
What is a "supernatural cause" anyway?
If something exists that effects nature, it would be a natural cause, would it not?
It's still natural even if we don't know about it.

 

[Falvlun]

Depends,atheists assume it to be naturally occurring while people of faith assume a supernatural power behind it.

Not all assumptions are created equal.

 

[FearGod]

It's not an assumption. All the data we have suggests natural causes. There is no data that suggests supernatural causes.
What is a "supernatural cause" anyway?
If something exists that effects nature, it would be a natural cause, would it not?
It's still natural even if we don't know about it.

i don't agree with you.

Nature to me is something that i can see,investigate,touch and to be fully understood for me.

example to clear my point,

it is natural that the sun appear from the east every morning,thats naturally happening,now if all in a sudden the sun appeared from the west,then it is up to you if you want to call it naturally happening or
a supernatural force has caused it.

 

[Falvlun]

i don't agree with you.

Nature to me is something that i can see,investigate,touch and to be fully understood for me.

example to clear my point,

it is natural that the sun appear from the east every morning,thats naturally happening,now if all in a sudden the sun appeared from the west,then it is up to you if you want to call it naturally happening or
a supernatural force has caused it.

It's not about what we want to call it, but what the evidence shows. I think that's where you are getting hung up.

 

[FearGod]

It's not about what we want to call it, but what the evidence shows. I think that's where you are getting hung up.

Whats your evidence then that evolution has occurred due to nature effects and factors..

 

[Falvlun]

Whats your evidence then that evolution has occurred due to nature effects and factors..

You've been told the evidence many times already on this forum. You have the internet at your fingertips. You could look it up. You could enroll in a highschool or college biology course, or if you don't want to pay, just sit in on one. You could go to your library and take out books.

So, seeing as you haven't done any of this and seeing as you are still ignorant despite the many times people have taken the time to explain things to you, I doubt that it will make any difference if I do it again now. And quite frankly, I'm not inclined to waste my time.

Because I know what's going to happen: It's going to be explained to you, and you are going to say "But God could have done it!"

Yes, honey. God could have done it. Just like it could be God that makes airplanes fly. Just like it could be aliens that make antibiotics work. Just like it could be elves that make plants grow. Just like it could be magic that makes the sun produce light and heat. Just like it could be nymphs that make rivers run to the ocean. Just like it could be demons that make men believe stories written thousands of years ago.

Yes. It could be God.

 

[secret2]

I have one for the OP and the rest. Are we actually evolving now in a broader sense? Yes we are but are there drastic changes. In the wild if you we're not strong enough you died. Not smart or quick enough you died. Now that aspect has left.

Therefore has evolution become irrelevant because it is no longer the quickest, smartest, strongest that spread their genes? Should we not be more focused on engineering our own physical evolution in labs?

you are missing the point. Selection doesn't necessarily pick out the smartest, strongest, longest, thickest or fastest. As long as there is any trace at all that has reproductive advantage, evolution would not be irrelevant. For example, susceptibility to a certain creed, perhaps?

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[FearGod]

You've been told the evidence many times already on this forum. You have the internet at your fingertips. You could look it up. You could enroll in a highschool or college biology course, or if you don't want to pay, just sit in on one. You could go to your library and take out books.

So, seeing as you haven't done any of this and seeing as you are still ignorant despite the many times people have taken the time to explain things to you, I doubt that it will make any difference if I do it again now. And quite frankly, I'm not inclined to waste my time.

Because I know what's going to happen: It's going to be explained to you, and you are going to say "But God could have done it!"

Yes, honey. God could have done it. Just like it could be God that makes airplanes fly. Just like it could be aliens that make antibiotics work. Just like it could be elves that make plants grow. Just like it could be magic that makes the sun produce light and heat. Just like it could be nymphs that make rivers run to the ocean. Just like it could be demons that make men believe stories written thousands of years ago.

Yes. It could be God.

So you can't bring any evidence and i have to enroll in a high school to find the evidence myself.

How silly............