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Ask me anything about the science of Evolution :)

Subduction Zone

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Um, my understanding of evolutionary theory is fine. But “nice” argumentation technique to insult the person you are attempting to persuade by insulting them first thing. :rolleyes:

Then you show are brilliant display of cutting and pasting. Perhaps you want to snow the readers under with volume instead of, you know, actually addressing the question I raised. In the middle of your cut and paste you actually gave an example of my point of the circumlocution of evolutionary theory’s definition, although you seem to have missed that.

It is actually possible to prove scientifically that being the fittest of a species can not account for all of those that survive. IOW, Darwinistic evolutionary theory can not explain survivability.

You claim to understand evolution and then post unsupported nonsense that tells us that you do not. When making a positive assertion you put the burden of proof upon you. Your strawman description of natural selection will not refute it.
 

Shaul

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You claim to understand evolution and then post unsupported nonsense that tells us that you do not. When making a positive assertion you put the burden of proof upon you. Your strawman description of natural selection will not refute it.
You should have written as yet unsupported. I am quite capable of support any claims I make. Though in my post there is just the one principal claim, that evolution can not account for all the species extant. I stand by that. For you to a priori say there is no proof simply because it hasn’t been proffered yet shows a lack of understanding of scientific discourse and doesn’t prove much else.
 

Thermos aquaticus

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You should have written as yet unsupported. I am quite capable of support any claims I make. Though in my post there is just the one principal claim, that evolution can not account for all the species extant. I stand by that. For you to a priori say there is no proof simply because it hasn’t been proffered yet shows a lack of understanding of scientific discourse and doesn’t prove much else.

When people claim to have evidence and then never present it, we tend to think that they never had any evidence to begin with.
 

Audie

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You should have written as yet unsupported. I am quite capable of support any claims I make. Though in my post there is just the one principal claim, that evolution can not account for all the species extant. I stand by that. For you to a priori say there is no proof simply because it hasn’t been proffered yet shows a lack of understanding of scientific discourse and doesn’t prove much else.

wont=cant
 

sayak83

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Um, my understanding of evolutionary theory is fine. But “nice” argumentation technique to insult the person you are attempting to persuade by insulting them first thing. :rolleyes:

Then you show are brilliant display of cutting and pasting. Perhaps you want to snow the readers under with volume instead of, you know, actually addressing the question I raised. In the middle of your cut and paste you actually gave an example of my point of the circumlocution of evolutionary theory’s definition, although you seem to have missed that.

It is actually possible to prove scientifically that being the fittest of a species can not account for all of those that survive. IOW, Darwinistic evolutionary theory can not explain survivability.
Actually I have written it myself.
There is no circular argument here. Please feel free to point it out among the set of points I made.
And no, you do not have a good understanding of evolutionary theory. Everything you have said so far points otherwise, especially the last claim of yours.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You should have written as yet unsupported. I am quite capable of support any claims I make. Though in my post there is just the one principal claim, that evolution can not account for all the species extant. I stand by that. For you to a priori say there is no proof simply because it hasn’t been proffered yet shows a lack of understanding of scientific discourse and doesn’t prove much else.

No need to use the phrase "as yet". I asked for support. I correctly pointed out that you put the burden of proof upon yourself. I did did not say that you can't do so, but your refusal to support a bogus claim does not bode well for you.
 

james dixon

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The root of all life comes from DNA. Combine all like kind DNA strands into one group and discard the rest and WALLA, you have found our ancestral ancestors
 
I thought I would get more involved with science. I might just buy a telescope to look at stars and the universe.

The blue screen on modern televisions is determined to be there by it's inventors. In older television the gray, white and black dots warring against each other was determined to be there.

The same about a the telescope i wanted to buy, the stars and the pictures was there in preadvance, because it was a cheap telescope.

The same problem was encountered when i wanted to search for gold. The magnetic seeker was programmed to make a noise randomly as it moved above the surface of the ground. cheap equipment

I face the same problem with screening of drugs, the sticks show positive or negative in preadvance because it is cheap screens.

So here comes my question, when dating fossils, to observe evolution and to determine fossils age, were can I find good gears and equipment for doing so??? It should be real, advanced equipment. I know I have to poke down alittle more dollars into it when its more advanced technology. Were do I find the tools on the free market for dating fossils???
 

sayak83

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I thought I would get more involved with science. I might just buy a telescope to look at stars and the universe.

The blue screen on modern televisions is determined to be there by it's inventors. In older television the gray, white and black dots warring against each other was determined to be there.

The same about a the telescope i wanted to buy, the stars and the pictures was there in preadvance, because it was a cheap telescope.

The same problem was encountered when i wanted to search for gold. The magnetic seeker was programmed to make a noise randomly as it moved above the surface of the ground. cheap equipment

I face the same problem with screening of drugs, the sticks show positive or negative in preadvance because it is cheap screens.

So here comes my question, when dating fossils, to observe evolution and to determine fossils age, were can I find good gears and equipment for doing so??? It should be real, advanced equipment. I know I have to poke down alittle more dollars into it when its more advanced technology. Were do I find the tools on the free market for dating fossils???
You can't do it at home. The equipments cost over $100,000 bucks, need a clean lab and you need to get trained for several years.
 
100.000~

Can you send me the equipment!?

I can share it with my freinds, and we'll all be joyful and cheerful...

Were should I start!?
 

sayak83

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100.000~

Can you send me the equipment!?
$100000

No. I don't own them. The universities do. You have to enroll in an appropriate course in a university to use them while training.

Here is the lab equipments you would usually need.
Bureau Laboratories: Argon Lab: Hardware

Another more advanced Ar-Ar system is shown in the website below,
Argon-argon dating facility
Most of the equipment used is listed in the website. If you are interested, you should set up a good lab space and begin to order and set up your own equipments. You should also subscribe to professional journals to apprise yourself about whats being done.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/page/journal/1751908x/homepage/productinformation.html

I would also recommend enrolling in a geology course at a university to get a hang of it all. All the best. :)
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Its not for sale.... it would take month to learn handle such equipment. it would take month for me to figure it out how it works, and

For all I know it's a engine...

I could be wrong...

Have you tried it!?

If i ever get one, even though this look like a four cylinder engine, were should I start?
 

sayak83

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Its not for sale.... it would take month to learn handle such equipment. it would take month for me to figure it out how it works, and

For all I know it's a engine...

I could be wrong...

Have you tried it!?

If i ever get one, even though this look like a four cylinder engine, were should I start?
Yes. I am an experimental chemist with PHD degree. Have handled most of these equipments. You would need at least two to three years of specialized training to be modestly competent at it.

Its not an engine. Its a chemical flow and detection system. The samples are cleaned, leached and gasified and then sent to a Mass Spectrometer where elemental composition is detected to high sensitivities.
 

sayak83

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Its not for sale.... it would take month to learn handle such equipment. it would take month for me to figure it out how it works, and

For all I know it's a engine...

I could be wrong...

Have you tried it!?

If i ever get one, even though this look like a four cylinder engine, were should I start?
Look at the set up in the Berkeley geochronology center if you are in CA.
BGC Berkeley Geochronology Center: Argon Lab
 
So...

... were should I start searching for fossils? Have someone seen my T-rex fossil, it should be here somewere?! After we plunder his grave we can use that equipment to date its age, can't we!?
 
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