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TruthaboutGod

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This is not in accordance with Islamic understanding of God's Oneness[/font]
and certainly not scriptural, true God is Omnipresent but not in His Essence, if this were the case God would be a part of His creation and therefore would not be Unique,
which is in essence the teachings of Islam.
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The messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord,
and so do the believers. Each one belives in Allah, "His" Angels, "His" Books,
and "His" messengers. surah 2, 285.
The word ''HIS'' in the above verses as well as yours, shows that these things belong
to God, and are created by Him, NOT in any way that it is a part of Him.
The Sririt here means Adams spirit that God created, i hope thats clear.

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This does not prove that God Has a Spirit, and that He is a part of His creation.
Sorry little of the topic,Do you belive Jesus(pbuh) was crucified or not?[/font]

It is not our bodies that are a "Part" of God, it is our Soul. This "Part" does not detract from God. Think of it like DNA, while you children have your DNA in their bodies, that DNA is not "subtracted" from you, yet it is yours.

The book deals with your question, as the Qur'an teaches:

SURAH 4 – 157:

That they said in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”; - but they did not kill Him, nor crucified Him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they did not kill Him.

Here is a C&P from the book that explains it:

Another controversial topic is what is in Matthew 27 – 46:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabach-thani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Did God really forsake Jesus? Of course not! Jesus never actually said this! Let me explain; let us start with SURAH 4 – 157:

That they said in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”; - but they did not kill Him, nor crucified Him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they did not kill Him.

I had always wondered why God would let a man murder one of His greatest Gifts to mankind. Of course I never questioned God about this, as I saw this as a mistake, and accusing God of “making a mistake” would truly be horridly sinful. Of course now I guess it does not matter as Jesus was never murdered!

Now for the million dollar question, how is SURAH 4 – 157 true, as well as all the accounts of the crucifixion of Jesus in the New Testament? Actually it is quite simple. What was written in the New Testament about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ is exactly how it was “SEEN” by the witnesses. It is true that Jesus had carried the cross through the streets. However at the point of the cross dropping to the ground for the nails to be inserted, the “Soul” of Jesus, which is actually “Jesus” was taken from the body. From this point the object that was nailed and hung on the cross was nothing more then a hollow shell, the body of a man without a soul.(The same as man existed on earth before Adam and Eve fell) This “body” uttered what is mentioned in Matthew 27 – 46 when the body clearly understood that Jesus was no longer in possession of it. So the “body” was actually forsaken, as Jesus had already left it.

 

Arlanbb

Active Member
I will do the best I can to answer them in a timely manner. I understand this is a religious forum, even though I am not religious, I can still answer questions about God.

Hi ~ If we assume that the biblical creation story is true then when did God make the carnivorus animals because in ch.1:30 God only created beast that eat every green plant for food?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Here is a C&P from the book that explains it:

Another controversial topic is what is in Matthew 27 – 46:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabach-thani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

Did God really forsake Jesus? Of course not! Jesus never actually said this! Let me explain; let us start with SURAH 4 – 157:

That they said in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”; - but they did not kill Him, nor crucified Him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they did not kill Him.

I had always wondered why God would let a man murder one of His greatest Gifts to mankind. Of course I never questioned God about this, as I saw this as a mistake, and accusing God of “making a mistake” would truly be horridly sinful. Of course now I guess it does not matter as Jesus was never murdered!

Now for the million dollar question, how is SURAH 4 – 157 true, as well as all the accounts of the crucifixion of Jesus in the New Testament? Actually it is quite simple. What was written in the New Testament about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ is exactly how it was “SEEN” by the witnesses. It is true that Jesus had carried the cross through the streets. However at the point of the cross dropping to the ground for the nails to be inserted, the “Soul” of Jesus, which is actually “Jesus” was taken from the body. From this point the object that was nailed and hung on the cross was nothing more then a hollow shell, the body of a man without a soul.(The same as man existed on earth before Adam and Eve fell) This “body” uttered what is mentioned in Matthew 27 – 46 when the body clearly understood that Jesus was no longer in possession of it. So the “body” was actually forsaken, as Jesus had already left it.
Hmm.

This sounds much less likely than the alternate explanation I've heard: that Jesus was shouting what would have been considered the title of what we know of as Psalm 22 in an attempt to remind the bystanders of its message. This works on two levels:

- to reassure people watching the grisly scene that, just as the Psalm says, even when things appear their darkest, God is with you.

- to call attention to the apparent prophetic nature of certain verses in the Psalm (e.g. verse 18, "They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.") which, if you believe the Gospel account, were fulfilled during the crucifixion/passion.

In any case, I think the fact that Jesus' words exactly match Psalm 22 shows a deliberate attempt on the part of the author to link the Gospel with the Psalm. Your version (or rather the version you copied & pasted) doesn't take this into account, and I think this leaves a rather large hole in it if you don't connect the two somehow. IMO, if you don't do this, then you implicitly put forward the idea that the similarity is just a coincidence, which I don't think makes a great deal of sense.
 

eugenius

The Truth Lies Within
1. Does he get toe-jam? If so has he ever smelled it? If so, did it smell like good cheese, like mine usually does?

2. Did he cringe during the first sex seen in brokeback mountain like me and my friends did and have to turn it off?

3. Can he tell us why Quebecers love Lou Louis' snack cakes, poutine, cheap beer, and Celine Dion?

4. Did he laugh when Roy got bit by his tiger?

5. Has he ever clogged the toilet in heaven? Who unclogged it?

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
 

Arlanbb

Active Member
For TruthaboutGod ~ if the Genesis ch. 1 is true where did the light come from in the first three days of creation before the sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day??? Are you still with us TruthaboutGod ???
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
For TruthaboutGod ~ if the Genesis ch. 1 is true where did the light come from in the first three days of creation before the sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day??? Are you still with us TruthaboutGod ???

Short answer: The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] [fn] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
 

Arlanbb

Active Member
Short answer: The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] [fn] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Thank you emiliano ~ but that does not answer the question of where the very bright light came from for the first three days of creation. And I ask you the ssame question I ask RND when did God create the flesh eating birds and animals? In v. 30 of Gen. it says that on the day 6 God created all the beast and birds that are given every green plant for food.
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
Thank you emiliano ~ but that does not answer the question of where the very bright light came from for the first three days of creation. And I ask you the ssame question I ask RND when did God create the flesh eating birds and animals? In v. 30 of Gen. it says that on the day 6 God created all the beast and birds that are given every green plant for food.

What your problem? Is it the Lack of details?
The spirit of God is light; this is stated again in the book of revelation, but I must remind you y that the bible is not a scientific treatise but an allegorical account given to Bronze Age people. Man is at the top of the food chain (also created in the 6th day), scientists tell us that humans are not designed to be flesh eaters, is that your trouble? If this is the problem, you may find an answer by asking yourself this question. To whom is this narrative addressed? What would make a detailed account of ver. 31 necessary? In respect to humans this is stated in details through out scriptures.
 

Arlanbb

Active Member
What your problem? Is it the Lack of details?
The spirit of God is light; this is stated again in the book of revelation, but I must remind you y that the bible is not a scientific treatise but an allegorical account given to Bronze Age people. Man is at the top of the food chain (also created in the 6th day), scientists tell us that humans are not designed to be flesh eaters, is that your trouble? If this is the problem, you may find an answer by asking yourself this question. To whom is this narrative addressed? What would make a detailed account of ver. 31 necessary? In respect to humans this is stated in details through out scriptures.

Hi emiliano ~ First of all according to my Harpers Study bible the book of REVELATION does not have the statement "spirit of God is light" in it. Please give me chap. and verse. Second you have not answered my question "when did God create the wild flesh-eating birds and beast". I have no problem with people eating flesh or not. But God did tell the Hebrews that it was OK to eat some meat from animals. The Eskimos use to eat nothing but meat and blubber before the white man 's food was brought to them. And I don't think there was a real Adam and Eve that talked to a real serpent. Also you have no evidence that the creation story was given to the Bronze age people. So far you don't have much substance in what you write.
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
Hi emiliano ~ First of all according to my Harpers Study bible the book of REVELATION does not have the statement "spirit of God is light" in it. Please give me chap. and verse. Second you have not answered my question "when did God create the wild flesh-eating birds and beast". I have no problem with people eating flesh or not. But God did tell the Hebrews that it was OK to eat some meat from animals. The Eskimos use to eat nothing but meat and blubber before the white man 's food was brought to them. And I don't think there was a real Adam and Eve that talked to a real serpent. Also you have no evidence that the creation story was given to the Bronze age people. So far you don't have much substance in what you write.

Here we go: The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, [fn] for the glory [fn] of God illuminated it. The Lamb [is] its light. Rev 21:23

"I have heard the complaints of the children of Israel. Speak to them, saying, 'At twilight you shall eat meat, and in the morning you shall be filled with bread. And you shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.' " Exd 16:12

Why do you want to know “"when did God create the wild flesh-eating birds and beast" in details in the inspired word of God? If your Harpers study Bible does contain a study of this, check on other ones. The Bible is a manual for good living addressed to humanity so why it would be necessary to have a detailed account of the creation of these irrational beasts that are not commanded to live under the Moral Law and were not created to have communion with their creator.
 

Arlanbb

Active Member
Here we go: The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, [fn] for the glory [fn] of God illuminated it. The Lamb [is] its light. Rev 21:23
So far i have not found in the bible that the "spirit of God" is the light of the Lamb. I realize that christians like to twist words around to come up with there own meaning to prove their point.
"I have heard the complaints of the children of Israel. Speak to them, saying, 'At twilight you shall eat meat, and in the morning you shall be filled with bread. And you shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.' " Exd 16:12

Why do you want to know “"when did God create the wild flesh-eating birds and beast" in details in the inspired word of God? If your Harpers study Bible does contain a study of this, check on other ones. The Bible is a manual for good living addressed to humanity so why it would be necessary to have a detailed account of the creation of these irrational beasts that are not commanded to live under the Moral Law and were not created to have communion with their creator.
The point of "when did God made the flesh eating birds and beast" is very important to the validity of the truthfulness of the Genesis. If God make flesh eating birds and beast during the 6th day of creation then God was bring death to earth before Adam and Eve sinned and God called his creation with death in it "very good" v. 31. If God didn't create flesh eating bird and beast during his 6 days of creation then God had to have a second creation after Adam and Eve sinned so the fleah eating birds and beast would be in earth.
The context of v. 30 indicates ONLY the grass eating beast were created. I didn't know that the "irrational beast" could read the Moral Law and where in the bible does it say that the "irrational beast" don't have communion with their creator?

By the way the bible is not the inspired word of God. God didn't write one word of it, man did, that is why there are so many contradiction in it.
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
The point of "when did God made the flesh eating birds and beast" is very important to the validity of the truthfulness of the Genesis. If God make flesh eating birds and beast during the 6th day of creation then God was bring death to earth before Adam and Eve sinned and God called his creation with death in it "very good" v. 31. If God didn't create flesh eating bird and beast during his 6 days of creation then God had to have a second creation after Adam and Eve sinned so the flesh eating birds and beast would be in earth.
The context of v. 30 indicates ONLY the grass eating beast were created. I didn't know that the "irrational beast" could read the Moral Law and where in the bible does it say that the "irrational beast" don't have communion with their creator?

By the way the bible is not the inspired word of God. God didn't write one word of it, man did, that is why there are so many contradiction in it.
Well I reached the end of my attempt to an answer, if you don’t have a Bible that contains Revelation Chapter 21:23 and you have no idea of who the Lamb of God is, plus you are in possession of below average Bible Study book, it is a waste of time and I’ll leave it to TruthaboutGod to answer. I got the feeling that he/she left the forum. But good luck to you.
 

lockyfan

Active Member
What your problem? Is it the Lack of details?
The spirit of God is light; this is stated again in the book of revelation, but I must remind you y that the bible is not a scientific treatise but an allegorical account given to Bronze Age people. Man is at the top of the food chain (also created in the 6th day), scientists tell us that humans are not designed to be flesh eaters, is that your trouble? If this is the problem, you may find an answer by asking yourself this question. To whom is this narrative addressed? What would make a detailed account of ver. 31 necessary? In respect to humans this is stated in details through out scriptures.


I love that part right there that i highlighted. do you knmow why?

because the scriptures tell us that the first humans were to eat Plants and fruit only. Not animals as a matter of fact we were supposed to look after them not eat them

The permission to eat meat was given after the flood

lol not supposed to eat flesh, if you take the bible as being the word of God then you would have known that form the first few chapters of genesis
 

emiliano

Well-Known Member
I love that part right there that i highlighted. do you knmow why?

because the scriptures tell us that the first humans were to eat Plants and fruit only. Not animals as a matter of fact we were supposed to look after them not eat them

The permission to eat meat was given after the flood

lol not supposed to eat flesh, if you take the bible as being the word of God then you would have known that form the first few chapters of genesis

Actually the reason that I attempt to answer (the post was addressed to TruthaboutGod) was that when my daughters where very young we made an attempt to vegetarism, they could not sustained it for very long, so I made a study of it, I was going to cite “The permission to eat meat after the flood” but could not remember the Chapter or verse where this is stated, anyways I have decided not to proceed as Arlanbb does not accept the Bible as been inspired by God. Do you know the chapter and verse?
 

lockyfan

Active Member
Actually the reason that I attempt to answer (the post was addressed to TruthaboutGod) was that when my daughters where very young we made an attempt to vegetarism, they could not sustained it for very long, so I made a study of it, I was going to cite “The permission to eat meat after the flood” but could not remember the Chapter or verse where this is stated, anyways I have decided not to proceed as Arlanbb does not accept the Bible as been inspired by God. Do you know the chapter and verse?

Genesis Chapter 9:3, but continue on because it then talks about not partaking in blood just after that.
 
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