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[Zardoz]

How do you deal with other Jews who dont consider Messianic Jews as real Jews?

How do you differ from jews for Jesus?

These two questions are related. It's because of J4J that mainstream Jews sometimes declare that Messianic Jews are no longer 'real' Jews.

To me, J4J are Hebrew Christians (a term, btw, that they often use themselves) while I am a Messianic Jew (not Christian by any Christian's definition)

I deal with it badly, most likely. I should just do my own thing, but it still gets to me sometimes.

How many letters do you use to spell the messiah's name, 4 or 5?

English is 6 - Yeshua

Hebrew is 4 - יֵשׁוּעַ

 

[Zardoz]

... (No one other than MJ, plz, this is a DIR)

Oh heck, anyone can ask me anything and I'll answer. My answer may make no sense whatsoever, but I'll do my best.

 

[Mark L Malone]

Actually, Messiahs true hebrew name, is Yahowshua, not Yeshua. Yeshua has the talmudic/masoretic annunciation in it cause of the vowel points added. Jesus' name, is Yahowshua, and it has YHWH's Name in it, thats why it is the Name above all Names.
Also, the hebrew name for Judah, is Yahuwdah, which also has the 4 letter tetragrammon in it, YHWH. YAH has His name on His people, and the word "jew", or Yahuwdi, means "one who praises YAH", and that is why Judah was named such, and also why YHWH made sure the southern kingdom of the faithfull ones at the Kingdom split, was called Judah, or Yahuwdah.
When one reads Zechariah, in the Hebrew, we see that Jesus' name was foretold, and He was to be the Kohen Gadol(high priest), and the King.

Zech 6:10 "Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Toviyah, and of Yedayah; and come the same day, and go into the house of Yoshiyahu the son of Tzefanyah, where they have come from Bavel.
Zech 6:11 Yes, take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them on the head of Yahowshua the son of Yahotzadak, the Kohen Gadol;
Zech 6:12 and speak to him, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of Hosts, "Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: and he shall grow up out of his place; and he shall build the temple of the LORD;
Zech 6:13 even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule on his throne; and he shall be a Kohen on his throne; and the counsel of shalom shall be between them both.

You see, the persian wisemen, were actually the congress in Pesia who were jewish who knew the prophecy of Daniel and the time Messiah was to come. The name of Jesus/Yahowshua was foretold, and was not a mystery, as the scriptures clearly show.

 

[Zardoz]

Welcome to RF and the Messianic Judaism DIR!

Actually, Messiahs true Hebrew name, is Yahowshua, not Yeshua....

Yes, this is so and also this takes me back...

I became a Messianic Jew on my own, while dealing with a spiritual crisis. I was pretty naive at the time, I thought I was the only Jew who came to these beliefs. Then I happened to be channel surfing and came across a show called 'Jewish Jewels'. I was intrigued. As they say, the rest is history, but my point is this:

Before I came into contact with other MJ the name I always used for 'Jesus' was Yahowshua. The other MJ wondered who I was talking about, lol.

Soon I adopted the commonly recognized pronunciation of 'Yeshua', as that's what the community used. Same Hebrew root, so it's all good.

 

[Zardoz]

Yawn!

Are there no other MJ here other than me? Really? I don't bite... not too much anyway.
:seesaw:

 

[Breathe]

You're the only MJ I've seen here since I've joined. I think.

Whilst this thread is quiet, I'll ask a question!

Do you believe keeping kosher is necessary? And what leads you to this choice?

 

[Zardoz]

You're the only MJ I've seen here since I've joined. I think.

Whilst this thread is quiet, I'll ask a question!

Do you believe keeping kosher is necessary? And what leads you to this choice?

There is one other, but he's not active. Some come and go, but I suspect a few lurk without even registering.

I keep Kosher myself, but it's a bit complicated. There are, IMHO, different levels of keeping Kosher, and I think of myself as keeping, oh let's say 90% Kosher. Measured from the perspective of the most observant Orthodox practice. I think it's important, but not all aspects of it are equally important. There's quite a bit of grey area, where tradition and culture has made things maybe a bit more strict then they actually need to be.

Nevermind, that's too much info, lol. Not wanting any debate in a DIR, just wanted to emphasis that grey areas exist and some Jews would find my 'Kosher' lacking, just as others would find it archaic.

The thing is that all people, yes ALL people are supposed to keep some aspects of Kosher. It's not just for Jews! Surprise! All three Abrahamic faiths point to the Covenant that G-d made with Noah and acknowledge that all people should not eat blood or flesh taken from a living animal. This is a very important Kosher law, if not the most important.

Genesis 9-4 ד אַךְ-בָּשָׂר, בְּנַפְשׁוֹ דָמוֹ לֹא תֹאכֵלוּ. Only flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Yes, this is also reflected in christianity, even though they try to do away with Kosher laws:

Acts 15:29 - You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.

Shalom! (I may not be able to post again for a couple days, until after Shabbat)

 

[Breathe]

Thank you for sharing with me!

All three Abrahamic faiths point to the Covenant that G-d made with Noah and acknowledge that all people should not eat blood or flesh taken from a living animal. This is a very important Kosher law, if not the most important.

So all people should avoid eating meat with blood in, am I right?

Shalom! (I may not be able to post again for a couple days, until after Shabbat)

Shabbat shalom! See you soon.

 

[Zardoz]

So all people should avoid eating meat with blood in, am I right?

Yes, but this is one of those wonderful grey areas I mentioned. We Jews go through great lengths to get blood out of meat, the 'salting and soaking' process, but in reality there's no way to get every last bit of blood out, no matter what you do. On the microscopic scale of tiny capillaries that permeate a creature's flesh, no way can you expect to get it all IMHO. This is one of those areas where you just 'do what you can' and trust that the intention counts for more than 100% success. I don't salt, for example. I soak and cook throughly and feel that I am making sufficient effort to be in compliance. I buy Kosher meat and know that the shechita, the ritual slaughter, removed much of the blood, and was as humane as is reasonable to expect. For most people, I'd hope that adjusting their thinking on this would not be a major dilemma.

On the other hand, there are some who eat actual blood, and there is no grey area in that practice. Just google blood sausage or black pudding for the details. This, in my view, is a direct violation of the Noachide Covenant.

 

[David69]

Oh heck, anyone can ask me anything and I'll answer. My answer may make no sense whatsoever, but I'll do my best.

Hi Zardoz, I hope you dont mind me asking questions! I wasnt born Jewish btw.

1, If I went to a Jewish place of worship would they be some dress code to adhere to
For example, cover head and take shoes of etc. would all people be welcome, no matter what Religion they were baptised into?

2, If People from all over the world beleived a person to be the Messiah and they pushed him into Ruling over them and this person says that he is Jesus's Angel and his DOB held a code that linked him to jesus etc. What would the Jewish communitys think if this Messiah brought the whole world together and told the populice that through him, Jesus forfilled the prophecys? I understand btw that Jesus didnt have to die! But chose to. As what he done was what he was sent to do, no more and no less! just my opinion. would David be accepted? What I understand is that some of the prophecys would be forfilled after he brings the world together as one.

Why isnt Jesus of the Davidic line?

Thanks in advance,
David.

 

[Zardoz]

Hi Zardoz, I hope you dont mind me asking questions! I wasnt born Jewish btw.

Welcome. One does not need to be Jewish to worship the Jewish G-d.

1, If I went to a Jewish place of worship would they be some dress code to adhere to
For example, cover head and take shoes of etc. would all people be welcome, no matter what Religion they were baptised into?

In general, clean neat clothes, no jeans. Women's clothing should be not unusually revealing. Depends on climate and formality of Temple. I wear a suit without a tie. Head covering for men is highly recommended, usually freely available. All are welcome, if they are respectful, no preaching please.

2, If People from all over the world beleived a person to be the Messiah and they pushed him into Ruling over them and this person says that he is Jesus's Angel and his DOB held a code that linked him to jesus etc. What would the Jewish communitys think if this Messiah brought the whole world together and told the populice that through him, Jesus forfilled the prophecys? I understand btw that Jesus didnt have to die! But chose to. As what he done was what he was sent to do, no more and no less! just my opinion. would David be accepted? What I understand is that some of the prophecys would be forfilled after he brings the world together as one.

Please phrase this as a simple question or questions, I don't undertand.

Why isnt Jesus of the Davidic line?

I don't know, for certain, what line he is. It's not important in my view, what's more important is what spiritual line he is. If you've read my posts, you know I deny he fulfills Davidic prophecies and concentrate on the Joseph prophecies. Note that David is descended from a non-Jewish woman (Ruth) and the children of Joseph are from his Egyptian wife, so genetic descent is not all there is.

 

[Ba'al]

Is Zardoz a good movie? I have it but haven't watched it yet.

 

[Zardoz]

By today's standards, probably not. Approach it like an indie.

 

[Ba'al]

I'm not one for today's standards. Nothing makes you think anymore.

 

[David69]

Welcome. One does not need to be Jewish to worship the Jewish G-d.
Thanks for making me welcome Zardoz.
I accept there is one God, the God of all and that Jerusalem is Gods holy City. That is strange given my background, Christened/Baptised a protestant but grew up amongst non beleivers. Didnt like Jews (when I was young) because no one else did! I was just experiencing all the people, good and bad. But for a reason that I didnt understand! Then my feelings turned indifferent towards the Jews and as I got older I felt pity and sorry! later I began to detest the way the world treat the Jews!
I wanted to change the world and wrid it of evil and realised the onlyway forth would be to bring it together as one, starting from the holylands! by this time I didnt know no book nor Religion nor beleifs. If God is letting me see and feel and know for myself these things, then why do I still have fear for him! Maybe this will turn around now that I know the source and I accept that sourse and embrace him as God, the father of all!... Sorry, just Rambling...

In general, clean neat clothes, no jeans. Women's clothing should be not unusually revealing. Depends on climate and formality of Temple. I wear a suit without a tie. Head covering for men is highly recommended, usually freely available. All are welcome, if they are respectful, no preaching please.

Would it be one of those scull caps or would a trillby type hat be okay?

Since ever I can remember, the pictures I got in my mind from churches and Religion were that of evil and fear and I felt uncompfortable. Now and again I was made to go to Church for Christenings etc Maybe because I felt that I couldnt let down certain family members. I became Godfather to two of my nephews and to a son of a friend.
I Got my first child Christened 8 yrs ago not because of a Religious thing but because the inlaws were Religious and them took charge and the next thing I knew, we were at church! It would be to embarressing to make a fuss. But more so for my wife.
I always had the same symtoms afterwards, usually at the reception...
Feeling hot, sick, and I would get Diahorea and turn white as a sheet. I got those symtoms as far back as I can remember.
My second son got Christened nearly 4yrs ago and at this time I was going through a confused state of mind and let old feelings get the better of me. I made a stand and refused to go to the christening and I feel sick to the stomack as I wright this, maybe through guilt. Then I didnt recognise or beleive in God or Jesus or Religion but knew that it was part of societys norm to be Christened and wed at church. The whole family would curse me forever if I wouldnt allow my son to be Christened. I guess there was no real harm done exept that done to my pride.
So I didnt go to Church and I didnt go to the Reception and I felt bad depression.
No matter how much I wanted to stop away on that day, I ended up outside the Christening Reception, Waiting to take some family members home in the car!
I dwelled in pity anger and guilt for ages after.
I now have a daughter and now realise Jesus and God and am now confused and unsure about getting her Christened... Rambling again... urm, I felt a strong urge to walk into a Jewish place of worship and just to experience and to see what I feel like and wonder would I or not have those symtoms of the past!!!


Please phrase this as a simple question or questions, I don't undertand.

Revelation 22:16 ~ English standard

"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."

Most interpratations or version say that Jesas is the root and offspring of David. but my beleif is that Jesus is the root of David. David being the Angel that he sent to testify to the churches etc But I beleive he is talking of the future Messiah! The Jewish Messiah The Messiah that Brings together the world as one, starting from the holy land.
what if it turned out that the Messiah called David goes to the holylands and claim what is his birthright and he is accepted by the whole world etc etc etc. And after this he tells the world that he still has to forfill some prophecys by Gods will as the time is not now but soon and says like his anscestor Jesus of nazareth but through me he will forfill and my message to yous is I have not let anybody down because we are one and the will of our father will reveil the truth as he says! etc etc etc
My question is: what would be the jewish thought on that? or your own? or would opinions of Jesus change?

I don't know, for certain, what line he is. It's not important in my view, what's more important is what spiritual line he is. If you've read my posts, you know I deny he fulfills Davidic prophecies and concentrate on the Joseph prophecies. Note that David is descended from a non-Jewish woman (Ruth) and the children of Joseph are from his Egyptian wife, so genetic descent is not all there is.

I wandered about Joseph but I also wandered about Josephs brother being the father of Jesus... In my ignorance ofcourse. I heard that Jesus used to visit England with his uncle. It is only my beleif so excuse my ignorance... I beleive that Jesus sowed his seed when he was thirty, somewhere in England.

If Jesus hadnt of sowed his seed, would that not be an insult to God? But I dont see anything about offspring of Jesus.

btw what Jewish Religions apart from Christianity follow Jesus? I understand that many dont recognise him let alone follow him ETC but my questions and curiosity are genuine! As stated I am not Religious and only have what I have by my subconscious! So I am seeking knowledge from Jews in particular...

Thanks again...
David.

 

[Zardoz]

I wandered about Joseph but I also wandered about Josephs brother being the father of Jesus... In my ignorance ofcourse. I heard that Jesus used to visit England with his uncle. It is only my beleif so excuse my ignorance... I beleive that Jesus sowed his seed when he was thirty, somewhere in England.

I have no idea. I know England was part of the Roman Empire like Judea, I doubt Yeshua ever went there.

If Jesus hadnt of sowed his seed, would that not be an insult to God? But I dont see anything about offspring of Jesus.

You wouldn't, in Christian works. Reminds me of the Da Vinci Code.

btw what Jewish Religions apart from Christianity follow Jesus? I understand that many dont recognise him let alone follow him ETC but my questions and curiosity are genuine! As stated I am not Religious and only have what I have by my subconscious! So I am seeking knowledge from Jews in particular...

Messianic Judaism is alone in that regard, but there's many viewpoints even here.
I know that Islam considers him a prophet.

 

[David69]

I have no idea. I know England was part of the Roman Empire like Judea, I doubt Yeshua ever went there.

I beleive that Jesus went on trips to England with his uncle that owned a fleet of merchant ships. He suposedly made frequent trips to England to trade in copper, tin and other metals. That time England was suposed to be the place for religious education! Did jesus disapeer from the age of twelve? Maybe he went to stay in that most northern horn to study and later sow his seed! Jmo

If Jesus hadnt of sowed his seed, would that not be an insult to God? But I dont see anything about offspring of Jesus...

You wouldn't, in Christian works. Reminds me of the Da Vinci Code.

what about in anybody elses works? I have been meaning to watch the Da Vinci code!
Well would it be against Gods will if Jesus chose not to have a child, iyo?

btw what Jewish Religions apart from Christianity follow Jesus?...

Messianic Judaism is alone in that regard, but there's many viewpoints even here.
I know that Islam considers him a prophet.

Ahhh, Thanks for that. I must read up on the Messianic faith. In particular the prophecys of the long awaited messiah! My heart feels good knowing that Jesus wasnt abandened by those that really matter!

My Doctor is Orthodox (I think so anyways by the way that he is dressed)
It should insult him by my claims and beleifs but he is just the opposite.... Now that is strange! Maybe he is just intreuged by my higher senses etc. (by a medial veiw point)

Do you think that the Messiah is here or will come soon?
Any opinions on what you think reguarding the Messiah will be apreciated! Tell me what he will be like! iyo and the beleifs of the Messianic faith?

Thanks in advance
David.

 

[Zardoz]

...Did jesus disapeer from the age of twelve? ...

I've heard all kinds of theories... He's in India... He's in Tibet... He's in the desert with the Essenes... He's in Egypt...

No proof for any of it.

Well would it be against Gods will if Jesus chose not to have a child, iyo?

Most people were married with children by that age, yes. It would not be unusual or recorded for any particular reason. Again, no proof one way or the other exists.

Do you think that the Messiah is here or will come soon?

Not soon, there is yet another Shoah which will come soon enough, maybe that will cause him to act, but I doubt it. Never have I felt him as far away as I do now...

 

[David69]

Whats a Shoah? an anti christ maybe! It seams like you have lost faith in the Messiah. To what I can gather, alot of people are expecting him soon.

Never have I felt him as far away as I do now...

so near yet so far away eh!!!

Not soon, there is yet another Shoah which will come soon enough, maybe that will cause him to act, but I doubt it.

So for him to act he will have to already be here maybe!!

Ive heard that the muslims think that the Messiah will die when he is 40... Could they of just missinterperated and The Messiah has 40 yrs and then Rises, leaving the old him behind?
I made it to 41 the other day

I've heard all kinds of theories... He's in India... He's in Tibet... He's in the desert with the Essenes... He's in Egypt...

No proof for any of it.

Lol, that figures. He gets about though eh! I beleive that certain people knows where he went and what he did etc... that certainly got kept secret!

Thanks
David.

 

[David69]

I searched a shoah! Another haulocost, right! Why do you say there will be another one of them before the Messiah shows up?
To what I can gather so far... All the Jews return to isriel (including genteels, part of the lost tribes) and then the Messiah turns up (called David) sits on his throne and makes world peace!
I dont think that the Jews will get it again!
I have a question!..
If The Messiah comes home and the world recognise him and only the true evil remain... who will do there bidding? who will fight there war?
Doesnt all the world Beleive in one God?
I am confused because isnt the antichrist suposed to rule the world? The false prophet that is suposed to have a peace pact or something with the Jews and then he betrays them?
Straighten me out here plz
cheers
David.