Assigned opinion debate: Evolution

[Kilgore Trout]

I did let the love of god into my heart, and it told me evolution was the right-hand path and that creationism was a tool of Satan. Not quite certain what that means, but I'm sure you have a good handle on god talk and such.

Sounds like the Devil whispering in your ear. Atheists are especially susceptible to his influence.

"Evolutionism" is a product of mans' closing approach to a universe better understood; out flanking the sorry myths of yore that bind mens' minds to the folly of faith. The angels of your heaven would snicker at the religious idiocy of a creationist diversity were they not so busy applauding the progress in evolutionary science. The check mate of creationism is only a couple of moves away, so prepare for its end times, friend. And while we would normally welcome your defection to our side, your defective brain genes would set the evolution of mankind too far back to make it worthwhile.

Again, the negativity of atheism results in nothing but childish insults. Open your heart to God's Love and you will no longer feel the need to attack your fellow man.

:bow: DARWIN RULES! :bow:​

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LOL! I see that you openly pray to your false god, Darwin. Unfortunately, my God is far more powerful than yours.
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[Dan4reason]

Get your microscope out.

The sea shore may have a lot of features but it is not complex in the way a computer or a cell is, in other words it is irreduceably complex. Here is a chart of the working machinery of the cell.

And what constitutes acceptable proof?

Something that indicates that something else is true. If you are not going to provide evidence for your view point, then I will provide evidence for mine.

We live in a universe in which all the constants are just right for human survival. If the expansion rate of the universe has been only slightly different, atoms could not have been formed. If the earth had been moved by only a little, water could not have formed. In fact it is strange to believe that natural forces could have produced structures that are infitely more complex than anything human designers have made. If I know one thing, humans are better at making irreduceably complex devices than natural forces such as gravity, wind, mutations, etc.

I want to present the Theory of Intelligent Design: We have first-hand evidence that some irreduceably complex machines are explained by human design. Now we see biological complexity which is far more complex than anything humans have ever made and should apply the same kind of explanation. By far the only proven explanation we have for irreduceable complexity is design in general. Evolution on the other hand has no proof.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

For once, I wish my name wasn't odd.

In the back woods where I live "Meogi" is odd. Now if it were "Meogi Sue" we'd be getting sumwhere.

 

[Noaidi]

I want to present the Theory of Intelligent Design: We have first-hand evidence that some irreduceably complex machines are explained by human design. Now we see biological complexity which is far more complex than anything humans have ever made and should apply the same kind of explanation. By far the only proven explanation we have for irreduceable complexity is design in general. Evolution on the other hand has no proof.

Well said, my creationist friend. I, too, am an ID-iot ('Intelligent Design - it's obviously true') and see evidence of design all around me. Evilutionists talk of 'bad' design (they trot out the usual example about the wiring of the eye ), but it's important to note that ID says nothing about the identity of the designer - only that life is designed.

but we all know that God is the designer.

 

[Skwim]

Sounds like the Devil whispering in your ear. Atheists are especially susceptible to his influence.

To you fundy Christians everything you don't agree with sounds like the Devil whispering in your ear.

Again, the negativity of atheism results in nothing but childish insults. Open your heart to God's Love and you will no longer feel the need to attack your fellow man.

Same ol'. Same ol'. The broken record of the the desperate faithful.

LOL! I see that you openly pray to your false god, Darwin. Unfortunately, my God is far more powerful than yours.
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Openly P R A I S E, not pray. BIG difference. And what has your powerful god done for you other than lead you astray with the corruption of creationism. Start thinking for yourself for a change rather be led around by people who are only out for your last buck. Wake up and smell the coffee Charley. There ain't no free ride to the truth, it takes work and reason, not blind faith.

 

[Skwim]

The sea shore may have a lot of features but it is not complex in the way a computer or a cell is, in other words it is irreduceably complex. Here is a chart of the working machinery of the cell.

Ah, more work courtesy of the diligent efforts of the biological sciences. Nice to see you relying on it instead of the blind faith you usually use as a crutch.

Something that indicates that something else is true. If you are not going to provide evidence for your view point, then I will provide evidence for mine.

So if I can indicate that creation is true that will be proof for evolution. How about if I indicate that banana bread is good, would that be proof that evolution is true.

We live in a universe in which all the constants are just right for human survival. If the expansion rate of the universe has been only slightly different, atoms could not have been formed.

Nice to see you abandon the Genesis fables for the findings of science. Yup. You're learning Dan4reason. And just to bring you up to speed, the expansion rate following the BB had nothing to do with the formation of atoms. :no:

If the earth had been moved by only a little, water could not have formed. In fact it is strange to believe that natural forces could have produced structures that are infitely more complex than anything human designers have made.

And that's why humans don't claim they're responsible.

If I know one thing, humans are better at making irreduceably complex devices than natural forces such as gravity, wind, mutations, etc.

And that's why we're better than your so-called omnipotent god. :yes:

I want to present the Theory of Intelligent Design: We have first-hand evidence that some irreduceably complex machines are explained by human design. Now we see biological complexity which is far more complex than anything humans have ever made and should apply the same kind of explanation. By far the only proven explanation we have for irreduceable complexity is design in general. Evolution on the other hand has no proof.

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[painted wolf]

OMG I'm not sure I can survive this bizaro world. :cover:

The bible says "God said: let the Earth bring forth..." this leaves plenty of room for evolution.

ta-da.

wa:do

 

[Dan4reason]

There only needs to be one problem with creationists though.

A simple matter of aesthetic subscriptions could apply here very well, we may be doubtful of our own observations, but at least we don't have our "leaders" going around saying that condoms spread aids

It is commonly understood that, that which is questioned is often complicated and skewed, eventually leading to a greater understanding however.

"He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for the belief in one false principle is the beginning of all un-wisdom."-Anton LaVey (wait this could be used against me couldn't it?)

I don't see what you are arguing.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

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Oh, it's definitely been proven that evolution exists, but only micro-evolution. Evolution doesn't create new kinds, but only creates variety within the kinds that God created. For example, in the beginning God created bears - a clearly identifiable kind. Since the time of Noah, evolution has created the different types of bears we have now - grizzly bears, brown bears, polar bears, panda bears, koala bears, etc.

Koalas aren't bears. I wish you creationists would get your facts straight

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Koalas aren't bears. I wish you creationists would get your facts straight

(Neither are pandas, but at least somebody picked up on the joke.)

 

[Autodidact]

Evolutionists claim to advocate science, but evolutionism is not scientific. It relies on assumptions and guesses. There is not enough evidence to conclude the entire natural history of the planet. But the Bible tells us that God created every living thing on it, and common sense and observation support the truth of the Bible.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Evolutionists claim to advocate science, but evolutionism is not scientific. It relies on assumptions and guesses. There is not enough evidence to conclude the entire natural history of the planet. But the Bible tells us that God created every living thing on it, and common sense and observation support the truth of the Bible.

Amen!

 

[Dan4reason]

OMG I'm not sure I can survive this bizaro world. :cover:

The bible says "God said: let the Earth bring forth..." this leaves plenty of room for evolution.

ta-da.

wa:do

Well, in six days at least. Can all life evolve from a common ancestor in six days?

 

[Skwim]

(Neither are pandas, but at least somebody picked up on the joke.)

That's quite a joke, particularly when you try to extricate yourself from your misidentification but immediately commit another one by claiming the panda isn't a bear. But such bumbling is not uncommon among creationist, so don't feel alone in your ignorance and foolishness.

Oh yes, FYI. Panda bears belong to the same family, Ursidae, as all the other bears. The only difference is that they have their own genus, Ailuropoda, one of five with existing members in the bear family.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That's quite a joke, particularly when you try to extricate yourself from your misidentification but immediately commit another one by claiming the panda isn't a bear. But such bumbling is not uncommon among creationist, so don't feel alone in your ignorance and foolishness.

Please tell me you don't really think I'm a creationist. Now that would be real comedy.

Interesting note about the pandas though. I hadn't heard that they finally classified them as a type of bear.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

That's quite a joke, particularly when you try to extricate yourself from your misidentification but immediately commit another one by claiming the panda isn't a bear. But such bumbling is not uncommon among creationist, so don't feel alone in your ignorance and foolishness.

Oh yes, FYI. Panda bears belong to the same family, Ursidae, as all the other bears. The only difference is that they have their own genus, Ailuropoda, one of five with existing members in the bear family.

Ohh you evilutionists and your fancy book learning.

What you think that you can win an argument by throwing in a couple of fancy schmancy latin words?

 

[painted wolf]

Well, in six days at least. Can all life evolve from a common ancestor in six days?

Is anything impossible for God?

Surely a God that can create the whole of existence in six days can evolve life in that time.

wa:do

 

[Skwim]

Please tell me you don't really think I'm a creationist. Now that would be real comedy.

Well, you do have and even number of characters in your name don't you.

Interesting note about the pandas though. I hadn't heard that they finally classified them as a type of bear.

Really. I have a book, Animal put out by the Smithsonian Institution with a copyright date of 2001, and I have another book, Great Book of the Animal Kingdom with copyright dates of 1980, 1981, 1982; this edition 1988. Both list the panda as a member of the Ursidae family.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Well, you do have and even number of characters in your name don't you.

I'm still confused. Maybe your sarcasm is too subtle.

Really. I have a book, Animal put out by the Smithsonian Institution with a copyright date of 2001, and I have another book, Great Book of the Animal Kingdom with copyright dates of 1980, 1981, 1982; this edition 1988. Both list the panda as a member of the Ursidae family.

I don't have either of those books.

 

[Skwim]

Ohh you evilutionists and your fancy book learning.

What you think that you can win an argument by throwing in a couple of fancy schmancy latin words?