Astonishing- Water has Emotions

[Runewolf1973]

Everything is composed of matter which in turn is driven by the fundamental forces, meaning that everything in some way affects everything else. The universe started out (The Big Bang) at one central point and expanded out from there. It was not an explosion and nothing was separated in the process. All matter, energy, time, and space are one and connected. That is how we, our thoughts, and our emotions can affect other objects. We are connected to them whether we realize it or not.

 

[George-ananda]

you assume meta. Why couldnt the cause be materialistic?

Prayers or positive thoughts have no materialistic agents to cause effects in materialistic thinking.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Prayers or positive thoughts have no materialistic agents to cause effects in materialistic thinking.

I see prayers and thoughts as being very materialistic. They are another form of interaction, therefore guided or driven in some way by those same fundamental forces.


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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Prayers or positive thoughts have no materialistic agents to cause effects in materialistic thinking.

Of course they do.

The brain is an electrochemical system that puts out electromagnetic fields (weak ones, but they're there). The sympathetic nervous system causes physical effects like muscle movement, hormone release, blood vessel contraction and dilation, sweating, changes in respiration.

When a person prays, they often sit still and adopt a relaxed state of mind that induces lowered heart and breathing rates. If you can't imagine any possible physical effects from this process, then you're not thinking hard enough.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, this is paradigm shifting. Your examples are not; they fit nicely inside the box.

Until plate tectonics, continental drift was generally rejected because scientists saw no materialistic way for a continent to move through the solid rock of the crust. Plate tectonics was a literal paradigm shift: it proposed that the continents didn't plow through the crust thanks to subduction and mid-ocean spreading.

Meanwhile, the discussion in this thread has talked about material-sounding mechanisms like vibrations. Exactly what paradigm do you think is being shifted?

 

[atanu]

I haven't followed his work in the last few years, but did look into it some about 7 years ago. I found it quite interesting.

My understanding is not so much water was found to have emotions, but that his photographing of the water crystals showed that strong emotions directed toward the water seemed to have an impact on the photographed structure of the water crystals -- that their form responded to various qualities of energy.

I took from that an indication that the water may respond to the quality of energy directed to it, and also from Dr. Emoto's work, since people are mostly water, seems to have a possible implication for consciously affecting health related matters from the quality of thoughts/emotions/energy that we generate and absorb from others.

Additionally, as I recall he did some experiments with water quality due to pollution, and indicated improvement in water quality from directing prayer/love with an intent to heal the polluted water. (I think it may be the before and after prayer photographs on that site from Fujiwara dam that I am recalling the story of.)

It is my understanding that, if there is a signatory vibration to the energy we generate outward (which I think there is) that implies for me a high level of personal responsibility for what we "put out there", and that we do actually impact those people and "things" with the quality of energy we send them. We already know from physics that everything vibrates. Perhaps we will be more aware of our own ability to consciously direct the quality of and the level at which we personally vibrate if we can see physical representations of how it affects things around us.

This reminds of Prana-agnihotra yajna (sacrifice).

In short. It is said that one breath becomes five and hence a body, capable of action, is formed. These five breaths are 'In', 'down', 'equal', 'up' and 'out'. Prana-agnihotra entails offering one's first five morsels to these breaths, knowing that if these eat then the whole universe eats and remains happy.

I cite one para to illustrate:

1. 'Therefore the first food which a man may take, is in the place of Homa. And he who offers that first oblation, should offer it to Prâna (up-breathing), saying Svâhâ. Then Prâna (up-breathing) is satisfied,

2. 'If Prâna is satisfied, the eye is satisfied, if the eye is satisfied, the sun is satisfied, if the sun is satisfied, heaven is satisfied, if heaven is satisfied, whatever is under heaven and under the sun is satisfied.. And through their satisfaction he (the sacrificer or eater) himself is satisfied with offspring, cattle, health, brightness, and Vedic splendour.

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[atanu]

What is paradigm shifting here is the offering of knowledge that one's own state of mind determines the quality of its environment. All is built upon awareness.

 

[George-ananda]

Of course they do.

The brain is an electrochemical system that puts out electromagnetic fields (weak ones, but they're there). The sympathetic nervous system causes physical effects like muscle movement, hormone release, blood vessel contraction and dilation, sweating, changes in respiration.

When a person prays, they often sit still and adopt a relaxed state of mind that induces lowered heart and breathing rates. If you can't imagine any possible physical effects from this process, then you're not thinking hard enough.

Good point, however I did think of that but I never heard science say thoughts could effect objects at a distance.

However, in my reply I should have used a better example like pictures having effect. This is also in the OP article.

 

[George-ananda]

Meanwhile, the discussion in this thread has talked about material-sounding mechanisms like vibrations. Exactly what paradigm do you think is being shifted?

The paradigm of materialism. Here is a description of the paradigm from Wikipedia:

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that all things are composed of material, and that all emergent phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material properties and interactions. In other words, the theory claims that our reality consists entirely of physical matter that is the sole cause of every possible occurrence, including human thought, feeling, and action.

A photo of a beautiful scene effecting water (if confirmed) would not fit in the Materialist paradigm.

Until plate tectonics, continental drift was generally rejected because scientists saw no materialistic way for a continent to move through the solid rock of the crust. Plate tectonics was a literal paradigm shift: it proposed that the continents didn't plow through the crust thanks to subduction and mid-ocean spreading.

This is at best a paradigm shift in geology or whatever but has nothing to do with the Materialism paradigm.

 

[Runewolf1973]

The paradigm of materialism. Here is a description of the paradigm from Wikipedia:

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that all things are composed of material, and that all emergent phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material properties and interactions. In other words, the theory claims that our reality consists entirely of physical matter that is the sole cause of every possible occurrence, including human thought, feeling, and action.

Well, then I am 100% a materialist...and at the same time I am also an animist that practices shamanism. Ironic? Perhaps.

 

[atanu]

Well, then I am 100% a materialist...and at the same time I am also an animist that practices shamanism. Ironic? Perhaps.

Then that which animates and the material both must be identical/same. But do we know that which animates the way we know the materials?

 

[Avi1001]

Resonance.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Then that which animates and the material both must be identical/same. But do we know that which animates the way we know the materials?

I call it The Animating Factor, some call it Brahman, or Tao. It is also known by science as the Fundamental Forces of nature. It is the underlying essence or substratum of all things.

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force..." Max Planck

 

[atanu]

I call it The Animating Factor, some call it Brahman, or Tao. It is also known by science as the Fundamental Forces of nature. It is the underlying essence or substratum of all things.

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force..." Max Planck

An aspect Brahman is as the Seer of the animating force. But Brahman being the Seer, there is no second that can See IT. One can be IT but one cannot See IT as a Second to oneself.

That however, is not true of the the materiel realm, which is known by perception and measurement alone.

Anyway, it seems that we can never agree on this point.

 

[Runewolf1973]

An aspect Brahman is as the Seer of the animating force. But Brahman being the Seer, there is no second that can See IT. One can be IT but one cannot See IT as a Second to oneself.

That however, is not true of the the materiel realm, which is known by perception and measurement alone.

Anyway, it seems that we can never agree on this point.

Meh... It is all Brahman anyways.

 

[atanu]

Meh... It is all Brahman anyways.

But then it is neither matter nor non matter. he he.

 

[George-ananda]

Well, then I am 100% a materialist...and at the same time I am also an animist that practices shamanism. Ironic? Perhaps.

Yes we discussed this before and our beliefs are different. Advaitans believe that even material is an illusion and only Brahman is real. Brahman is not material but pure being-bliss-awareness.

But the fact that you and your girlfriend experience dead people puts you outside what is generally called Materialism. Materialists believe that there are no people to experience who have no working physical brain.

So you are not really an Advaitan or a Materialist. But you still have interesting things to say quite often.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The paradigm of materialism. Here is a description of the paradigm from Wikipedia:

In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that all things are composed of material, and that all emergent phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material properties and interactions. In other words, the theory claims that our reality consists entirely of physical matter that is the sole cause of every possible occurrence, including human thought, feeling, and action.

A photo of a beautiful scene effecting water (if confirmed) would not fit in the Materialist paradigm.

So when people muse about possible *physical* causes for the claims in the OP - as some have done in this thread - exactly why would you think that their paradigm has been shifted to include the non-physical?

And unless you think we understand every physical mechanism that exists, I don't see how you could assume that ANY phenomenon wouldn't fit into a materialist paradigm. You can't validly say "there is no possible physical cause for this" unless you know about all physical causes. Do you think we do?

This is at best a paradigm shift in geology or whatever but has nothing to do with the Materialism paradigm.

I get it: you think that a person's views on "materialism" is what defines their entire paradigm. I don't share this assumption.

 

[Father Heathen]

So H2O molecules have dopamine receptors? What?

 

[Runewolf1973]

George and Atanu, I believe you are both correct. When you get down to the quantum level, the forms become formless, matter becomes almost immaterial, and it becomes apparent that everything we see or experience is for the most part an illusion. Unlike some, I don't consider this "pure consciousness" or "bliss", but I do consider it fundamental. The underlying forces of nature...ceaseless, formless, animate.