at the pearly gates, would you descend into hell if they said it would save 2 sinners?

[fantome profane]

"You can throw your sins onto somebody else, vulgarly known as scapegoating. In fact, originating as scapegoating in the same area, the same desert. I can pay your debt if I love you. I can serve your term in prison if I love you very much. I can volunteer to do that. I can't take your sins away, because I can't abolish your responsibility, and I shouldn't offer to do so. Your responsibility has to stay with you. There's no vicarious redemption. There very probably, in fact, is no redemption at all. It's just a part of wish-thinking, and I don't think wish-thinking is good for people either."

- Christopher Hitchens

The interesting thing about that particular ritual is that in involved two goats, not just one. One goat would take on the sins of the nation and be cast out into the desert. But the other goat had to be pure, free of blemish. And that goat would be sacrificed unto "God". (to make a pleasing smell as it burned). Given those two choices I would happily take on the sins of the nation. "scapegoat" refers to the goat that escaped.

 

[Unification]

The interesting thing about that particular ritual is that in involved two goats, not just one. One goat would take on the sins of the nation and be cast out into the desert. But the other goat had to be pure, free of blemish. And that goat would be sacrificed unto "God". (to make a pleasing smell as it burned). Given those two choices I would happily take on the sins of the nation. "scapegoat" refers to the goat that escaped.

Western hemisphere on the left and eastern hemisphere of brain on the right. Pineal gland in between. No different than the thieves on the cross.

Crucifixion at the place of the skull (brain-mind)

 

[Marisa]

We've all been in hell numerous times, and most people in the world are currently in hell.

I have no reason to accept that as factually as you state it. But thanks for sharing.

 

[Unification]

I have no reason to accept that as factually as you state it. But thanks for sharing.

State of mind.

Fear, stress, anxiety, anger, worry, doubt, addiction, depression, unhappiness, pain, guilt, holding grudges, living in past.. Coulda woulda shoulda's, suffering, feeling not good enough, desire without the results we expect, jealousy, envy, greed, not happy with the way we look, Relationship problems because we didn't build them correctly, where do I stop? Then we loathe in sorrow, blame others, take it out on others to make ourselves feel better, pass our own created mental defects and physical defects onto offspring and blame "God" and everyone else for our miserable lives and circumstances.

 

[Nietzsche]

Western hemisphere on the left and eastern hemisphere of brain on the right. Pineal gland in between. No different than the thieves on the cross.

Crucifixion at the place of the skull (brain-mind)

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The **** does that have to do with scapegoating?

 

[Unification]

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The **** does that have to do with scapegoating?

Separation of mind, sent into wilderness(experience) until one bears their own mistakes and takes the blame, self responsibility. Crucifixion of ego in the west and rising of the light in the east when the two become one/whole again.

 

[Unification]

And the gold..?

It's all metaphorical for energetic transformation of mind with a bunch of different chemical processes, seeing CHRIST-al clear with awareness and altered, renewed mind. Look into the metaphysical meaning if interested. Tao explains most fairly well.

 

[Marisa]

State of mind.

Fear, stress, anxiety, anger, worry, doubt, addiction, depression, unhappiness, pain, guilt, holding grudges, living in past.. Coulda woulda shoulda's, suffering, feeling not good enough, desire without the results we expect, jealousy, envy, greed, not happy with the way we look, Relationship problems because we didn't build them correctly, where do I stop? Then we loathe in sorrow, blame others, take it out on others to make ourselves feel better, pass our own created mental defects and physical defects onto offspring and blame "God" and everyone else for our miserable lives and circumstances.

I don't blame "God" any more than I blame Zeus, it's rather silly to blame mythical characters for crappy decisions that get made. It's called life. If you wanna call that hell, knock yourself out. I'm not nearly as big a negative Nellie.

 

[Unification]

I don't blame "God" any more than I blame Zeus, it's rather silly to blame mythical characters for crappy decisions that get made. It's called life. If you wanna call that hell, knock yourself out. I'm not nearly as big a negative Nellie.

No one ever said that you did.

Don't assume "you" and being about "you." Relax, sister, no one is attacking you. What gets presented as states of mind automatically gets made about "you." It is rather silly... Tell that to all the negative Nellie's and cynical and bitter ones.

 

[Marisa]

No one ever said that you did.

Don't assume "you" and being about "you." Relax, sister, no one is attacking you. What gets presented as states of mind automatically gets made about "you." It is rather silly... Tell that to all the negative Nellie's and cynical and bitter ones.

Please don't tell me to relax as if you know what's going on in my head. Patronization is an unattractive character trait. When you quote someone's comment it's generally accepted that it is that person to whom you choose to speak. If you wish to speak generally, there are ways to make that evident.

 

[Unification]

Please don't tell me to relax as if you know what's going on in my head. Patronization is an unattractive character trait. When you quote someone's comment it's generally accepted that it is that person to whom you choose to speak. If you wish to speak generally, there are ways to make that evident.

"We we we ourselves, our our" is pretty evident that it's not all about "Marisa." I was replying and speaking to you, not ABOUT you. General assumed acceptance, is for someone who needs to relax. Tons of emotional reaction without reading and responding. Typical ego, very unattractive.

 

[Marisa]

"We we we ourselves, our our" is pretty evident that it's not all about "Marisa." I was replying and speaking to you, not ABOUT you. General assumed acceptance, is for someone who needs to relax. Tons of emotional reaction without reading and responding. Typical ego, very unattractive.

Okay fine. You quoted me and composed a reply that had nothing to do with me. You win. Happy now?

 

[Vishvavajra]

Bodhisattva vow, so yes. We are none of us saved until we are all saved. In the end there can be no discrimination. Fortunately, hell is a state of mind.

 

[Nietzsche]

It's all metaphorical for energetic transformation of mind with a bunch of different chemical processes, seeing CHRIST-al clear with awareness and altered, renewed mind. Look into the metaphysical meaning if interested. Tao explains most fairly well.

But the vast majority of these assumptions you're making only work in English.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Western hemisphere on the left and eastern hemisphere of brain on the right. Pineal gland in between. No different than the thieves on the cross.

Crucifixion at the place of the skull (brain-mind)

You come up with that? I'd never think to compare the left and right brain hemispheres to thieves on a cross.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Given those two choices I would happily take on the sins of the nation. "scapegoat" refers to the goat that escaped.

Well, wasn't that the one sent into the desert to the god azazel, or was that a different ritual.

 

[fantome profane]

Well, wasn't that the one sent into the desert to the god azazel, or was that a different ritual.

Still, I would rather face the non-existent God then the real people who kill in its name. Azazel does not scare me.

 

[Unification]

But the vast majority of these assumptions you're making only work in English.

For the most part, same meanings and applications. Every human has a brain, a dual mind, cranial nerves, brain gates that are open or closed, separated or whole, imbalanced or balanced, experiences in the wilderness, mental pain and agony, etc. Makes any human no different from the other, regardless of nationality, language, color, etc. Change can only happen internally. In the mind and heart.

 

[Unification]

You come up with that? I'd never think to compare the left and right brain hemispheres to thieves on a cross.

It just arrives consciously from nowhere. It's great to see some like minds across the net also.
The largest problem is taking any "religious" text literally, outwardly, or historically. Where all the divide, differences, battles, evil occur and twelve gazillion different religions and denominations. If they are truly "spiritual"... The only place and meaning they can be would be internal and metaphorical for something every single human has in common... Everything on the inside. A brain and a mind.

 

[Unification]

Okay fine. You quoted me and composed a reply that had nothing to do with me. You win. Happy now?

I don't have a desire for winning. I don't win. I want others to win and lead a more peaceful and fulfilled life.