Atheism and arrogance

[Cooky]

Probably, yes. A mod saying something in the comments is not a formal thing. Despite the apparent published opinion, I haven't received a single warning. This mod replies in such a fashion because I speak against homosexuality and believe in God who forbade it and they are, I think, a homosexual. That's okay. Its rude, of course to insinuate someone should leave a community because someone could be very much hurt by it.

Oh, so you and some other posters have a history together. I see. I was taking things at face value, and just figured the conversation was based on the topics expressed here in this thread alone.

...I have a hard time with debating sometimes when I think other debaters are holding onto things from previous threads... It's like 'noise' to me, that interrupts the purity of the topic at hand.

 

[PureX]

Probably, yes. A mod saying something in the comments is not a formal thing. Despite the apparent published opinion, I haven't received a single warning. This mod replies in such a fashion because I speak against homosexuality and believe in God who forbade it and they are, I think, a homosexual. That's okay. Its rude, of course to insinuate someone should leave a community because someone could be very much hurt by it.

If God forbade homosexuality, then there are no "homosexuals". There are only people who disobey God and engage in homosexuality. Just as there are people who disobey God and lie, cheat, steal, and kill.

A lot of the arrogance we see in "believers" comes from their using the sins of others to make themselves feel and appear the more virtuous. It's a kind of blatant hypocrisy that everyone else sees but the hypocrite. And this kind of religious egotism shows up A LOT in the behavior of the "true believers", who truly believe that they are closer to God, and more deserving of God's approval and favor. They like to make a show of their presumed superior righteousness by praying in public and putting up religious monuments and idols and preaching against sins that they don't commit (while never a peep is uttered about the sins that they DO commit), and so on. And other people see this arrogance, and self-centered foolishness, even though the "true believers"are blind to it.

 

[Left Coast]

Probably, yes. A mod saying something in the comments is not a formal thing. Despite the apparent published opinion, I haven't received a single warning. This mod replies in such a fashion because I speak against homosexuality and believe in God who forbade it and they are, I think, a homosexual. That's okay. Its rude, of course to insinuate someone should leave a community because someone could be very much hurt by it.

You don't have to speak about me like I'm not here. Hi.

Your inability to put yourself in the shoes of another person is a bit disturbing. You were rude, and then you complain about others being "rude" by telling you not to be rude?

Do you have an actual argument to justify your claim about atheists? Or just more Qur'an quotes?

 

[QuestioningMind]

But the moderator suggested that the OP go and leave for starting this thread. I can give you the quote:



...So ya, I'm questioning what people are allowed to do, suggested not to do, or otherwise guided to do... I think that's a reasonable thing to observe and communicate openly.

It's an open forum, thus anyone is allowed to suggest that anyone leave for starting a thread... be they theist or atheist. That's an indication that it's perfectly fair and unbiased.

 

[firedragon]

Hey @firedragon,
Do you still not understand why Islam is so unpopular in the rest of the world?
Tom

I do.

But it seems like you wish a rhetorical exchange. So that's not my interest.

Cheers.

 

[Cooky]

It's an open forum, thus anyone is allowed to suggest that anyone leave for starting a thread... be they theist or atheist. That's an indication that it's perfectly fair and unbiased.

And since it's an open forum, I'm allowed to complain about it.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Are atheists arrogant because they don't believe or do they not believe because they are arrogant?

I believe the latter is the correct view.

Qur'an 7:146 "Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them."

Thanks for posting this verse.

I might borrow it to show to my Christian friends.

I, for the most part, am on your team.

I'm in agreement with you.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob AND Ishmael, would be in agreement with you too.

"To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech. - Proverbs - 8:13​

ar·ro·gance

adjective. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance, or a sense of superiority, self-importance, or entitlement: arrogant claims.​

But you know, Piculet, we're on a forum here now where very few have a problem with homosexuality, the right to choose, pornography and eating bats and so on.

The God of my Bible calls these things sin and an abomination.

The Atheist says in his heart that there is no God. They have put the created, above the Creator.

But you and I both KNOW that the God of the Abrahamic religions DOES have a problem with these things.

So it doesn't surprise me that the majority of people here took a stroke when they read your OP.

But don't fret brother, I think we're about at the point where Jesus was talking about when the night would come where no man can work.

In Romans 1 Paul talks about it. Three times he says God "gave them over', to a reprobate mind. And they will be convinced of the lie. There's nothing you can do anymore. I would rather be wrong. Maybe something can happen at the last minute, and those who call out on the name of the Lord will be saved.

I think that the game over light is starting to blink.

This is what my Bible says about the sons of Ishmael:

"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." - Genesis 16:12​

Peaceful Sabbath

 

[Piculet]

You don't have to speak about me like I'm not here. Hi.

Your inability to put yourself in the shoes of another person is a bit disturbing. You were rude, and then you complain about others being "rude" by telling you not to be rude?

Do you have an actual argument to justify your claim about atheists? Or just more Qur'an quotes?

Hi. It's annoying, isn't it? I didn't complain. I made a statement. I didn't make a claim. I asked a question. It's not my problem if apparently no one is willing to get past one thing or recognise that arrogance is normal. Basically everyone has arrogance in them. I don't know why you people get so worked up about this.. The truth is, I'm having trouble going through all these not so relevant comments.

 

[columbus]

I do.

But it seems like you wish a rhetorical exchange. So that's not my interest.

Cheers.

I've read a fair number of your posts.
I didn't expect any exchange at all. Thanks for not disappointing.
Tom

 

[QuestioningMind]

And since it's an open forum, I'm allowed to complain about it.

Except you weren't complaining that it's a perfectly fair and unbiased forum... you were doing the exact opposite.

 

[McBell]

Except you weren't complaining that it's a perfectly fair and unbiased forum... you were doing the exact opposite.

It is rather obvious he is not very good at back peddling.

 

[Left Coast]

Hi. It's annoying, isn't it? I didn't complain. I made a statement. I didn't make a claim. I asked a question.

Oh for goodness' sake, at least recall your own OP accurately. You asked a question and then made a claim:

"Are atheists arrogant because they don't believe or do they not believe because they are arrogant?

I believe the latter is the correct view."

The belief that atheists are atheists because they are arrogant is a claim. So yes, you did make a claim. Do you have any rational evidence to support it?

It's not my problem if apparently no one is willing to get past one thing or recognise that arrogance is normal. Basically everyone has arrogance in them. I don't know why you people get so worked up about this.. The truth is, I'm having trouble going through all these not so relevant comments.

Oh okay, then if everyone is arrogant, including theists like you, then why is it relevant to atheism? Atheists breathe air too, so what?

 

[Cooky]

Except you weren't complaining that it's a perfectly fair and unbiased forum... you were doing the exact opposite.

Indeed. So what? You see inconsistency where consistency is. Not my problem.

...Fairness an unbiasness can often come from complaining about things.

 

[danieldemol]

@Piculet , I believe in One God, but I don’t believe atheists are any more susceptible to arrogance than monotheists are.

Post #128 seems to indicate back pedaling, so I’m hoping you have learnt since the OP that arrogance and atheism are not correlated just because an old book says so.

 

[Cooky]

It is rather obvious he is not very good at back peddling.

It's rather obvious that you are confused about something.

 

[Piculet]

The belief that atheists are atheists because they are arrogant is a claim.

Not really. I stated my belief. If I'd wanted to debate my belief I would have said, "atheists reject God out of arrogance." I didn't want to debate that so I used the wide vocabulary of the English language to form an op that makes clear — for a calm reader — what I wish to discuss.

Do you have any rational evidence to support it?

Why evidence? Why can't you reason?

Oh okay, then if everyone is arrogant, including theists like you, then why is it relevant to atheism?

I didn't say everyone is arrogant. I said everyone has arrogance in them.

ar•ro•gant
(ˈær ə gənt)

adj.
1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights.
2. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.
arrogant

As for why it's relevant — that's made clear in the OP. I chose it as the topic. It being a religious forum and all. If you want to talk about something you find more relevant, you can make a thread about it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That doesn't make any sense. Arrogance isn't dependent on looks.

You said, and I quote: "I have not seen anyone who truly believes in one God and worships Him, being arrogant."

Yet, you have described yourself as being such a believer, and your OP was about as arrogant as it could be, and therefore I suggested if you wish to see such a person, employ your mirror. You'll find him staring back at you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Are atheists arrogant because they don't believe or do they not believe because they are arrogant?

Not really. I stated my belief. If I'd wanted to debate my belief I would have said, "atheists reject God out of arrogance." I didn't want to debate that so I used the wide vocabulary of the English language to form an op that makes clear — for a calm reader — what I wish to discuss.

Not so! Look at the very first sentence in your OP, above. What that says, with no hint at it being only a belief, is that atheists (meaning ALL atheists) are arrogant. You give two possible "reasons" for that, but the statement is quite explicit. All atheists are arrogant.

Now, please prove that claim. Or apologize abjectly and sincerely for it.

 

[Piculet]

@Piculet , I believe in One God, but I don’t believe atheists are any more susceptible to arrogance than monotheists are.

Post #128 seems to indicate back pedaling, so I’m hoping you have learnt since the OP that arrogance and atheism are not correlated just because an old book says so.

Don't you either know the difference between arrogant and arrogance? Well your belief is complicated to affirm or to reject because you use words like monotheism and susceptible and I don't know how to measure either of them.

 

[Piculet]

You said, and I quote: "I have not seen anyone who truly believes in one God and worships Him, being arrogant."

Yet, you have described yourself as being such a believer, and your OP was about as arrogant as it could be, and therefore I suggested if you wish to see such a person, employ your mirror. You'll find him staring back at you.

Now I understand. But that's a negative assumption to make. Be optimistic.