Atheism is a faith

[StripperClown]

The mind provides context for existence. All existence; even the existence imagined to be "to everyone else".

I understand the way in which "imagined" means "not real", but on the other hand, it's really imagined (that's its proper context).

What I'm saying is that if you're in a mental institution because you believe beyond any doubt that there is an alien invasion that involved the whole planet, that doesn't make that said alien invasion real.

 

[Storm]

Wrong. There's no supporting evidence for God's existence. If it has yet to be truly proven beyond faith, then it doesn't exist on the level we're talking about (until proven.) The only thing you can have is an Atheist who says there isn't a god, but there's always that minute possibility that they give to everything else as well, or the Atheist who says there's no possible way for there to be a God. So, a negative belief is the same as disbelief in this context. You're arguing from agnosticism, which would say "hey, it's possible!" But with out definitive proof it's still in the realm of non-existence. Things generally don't exist until proven beyond faith, as goes scientific reasoning.

Rubbish. Atoms existed long before we proved it.

 

[Willamena]

What I'm saying is that if you're in a mental institution because you believe beyond any doubt that there is an alien invasion that involved the whole planet, that doesn't make that said alien invasion real.

What I'm saying is, I'm not in a mental institute and trying to discuss a philosophy.

 

[StripperClown]

Rubbish. Atoms existed long before we proved it.

Right, but they had to be proven, and others had to be dis-proven in the process.

 

[StripperClown]

What I'm saying is, I'm not in a mental institute and trying to discuss a philosophy.

I'm a bit more of a pragmatist X_X

 

[Storm]

I'm beginning to think you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[StripperClown]

I'm beginning to think you're being deliberately obtuse.

You don't believe that things such as atoms should be proven?

 

[Storm]

I don't believe their existence is dependent upon it.

 

[Willamena]

Is it faith to believe that atoms existed before we proved it?

 

[StripperClown]

I don't believe their existence is dependent upon it.

Well, we NOW know they exist now don't we? If this were back in a time where it were unknown, then it would be considered faith.

 

[StripperClown]

Is it faith to believe that atoms existed before we proved it?

You got it!

 

[Willamena]

Not just "considered to be faith", but faith.

 

[Storm]

Well, we NOW know they exist now don't we? If this were back in a time where it were unknown, then it would be considered faith.

Like the belief that God does not exist.

 

[StripperClown]

Like the belief that God does not exist.

If it is ever truly proven and evident that there is undoubtedly a God, then it will cease to be faith, and become the real norm like saying water keeps us hydrated.

 

[Storm]

Yeah, and?

 

[StripperClown]

And what? Atheists would become deists, and the world would go on. The probability of other things existing would go up quite a lot, as well.

 

[Willamena]

The probability of other things existing would go up quite a lot, as well.

Out of curiosity, what "other things"?

(And the world would go on, regardless. )

 

[StripperClown]

Out of curiosity, what "other things"?

(And the world would go on, regardless. )

Vampires, witches, you get the idea.

(Nobody is arguing that )

 

[Willamena]

I'm fascinated to know how credibility in vampires might increase due to atheists becoming deists, but I really should get to bed.

 

[StripperClown]

I'm fascinated to know how credibility in vampires might increase due to atheists becoming deists, but I really should get to bed.

If a being as powerful as God were to be truly proven, then it's not such a stretch to believe that other very talked about, less powerful beings could also exist.