atheism is a (religious position)

[osgart]

Atheism takes the position that there is absolutely no evidence for gods. Atheism is only religious when it makes a cause out of it with some brands of atheism that champion science and critical thinking as beacons of truth whereas in that they claim that there is no inherent purpose to existence. To be a religion it must be a definitive absolute conviction that is put forth.

My atheism is not a religion because I would change my mind in light of convincing proof or evidence, and I don't champion it as an absolute truth. I simply see no reason to put forth a conviction that God(s) exist yet.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We live in a dog-eat-dog world, that subscribes to 'looking out for #1'.
So, what in the world are you talking about?

If your life experience has led to that conclusion, then you have my sympathy.

It isn't that way for everyone. It doesn't have to be that way.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Atheism takes the position that there is absolutely no evidence for gods.

No, it doesn't.

Atheism is only religious when it makes a cause out of it with some brands of atheism that champion science and critical thinking as beacons of truth whereas in that they claim that there is no inherent purpose to existence. To be a religion it must be a definitive absolute conviction that is put forth.

Atheistic religions aren't "brands of atheism" any more than a red car is a "brand of redness."

My atheism is not a religion because I would change my mind in light of convincing proof or evidence, and I don't champion it as an absolute truth. I simply see no reason to put forth a conviction that God(s) exist yet.

Certainty isn't what makes a religion. Community is.

 

[osgart]

No, it doesn't.

If there was one iota of evidence for God then atheism would not even be for most people.

Atheistic religions aren't "brands of atheism" any more than a red car is a "brand of redness."

I mean types of atheism.

Certainty isn't what makes a religion. Community is.

There are communities of atheists. That doesn't stop people from being religiously atheist all on their own.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If there was one iota of evidence for God then atheism would not even be for most people.

Atheists can have all sorts of opinions on gods, but none of the are what makes a person an atheist.

I mean types of atheism.

Still makes no sense. There are no "types of atheism."

There are communities of atheists. That doesn't stop people from being religiously atheist all on their own.

A religion is a community of shared belief and practice. Someone being "religious all on their own" is a contradiction in terms, IMO.

You don't need to get together with the people in your community every week to be religious, but you do have to be part of a larger community in some sense.

 

[Copernicus]

Just literal facts the government defines Atheism as a religion in ALL legal matters nit just religious tax eligibility. No conspiracy unless you are going to come up with one going to propose one.

The conclusion is religions are defined by religious positions as the original post proposed the questioned.

The US government has never actually defined religion, theism, or atheism. The Supreme Court said that Humanism could be treated as if it were a religion for legal purposes, not that it was an actual religion. Although a great many atheists consider themselves humanists, humanism is not the same as atheism. The only major court to have come close to calling atheism a religion is the Seventh Circuit. (Source: the Atheism entry in The First Amendment Encyclopedia). Again, it wasn't quite calling atheism a religion.

Although a judicially generated legal definition of atheism may not be easily forthcoming, the Seventh Circuit — like other courts — has at least proffered a definition of religion that includes atheism.

According to the Kaufman court, “when a person sincerely holds beliefs dealing with issues of ‘ultimate concern that for her occupy a place parallel to that filled by ... God in traditionally religious persons, those beliefs represent her religion.”

So the closest that the government has come to calling atheism a religion has been to say that atheism can be protected under the First Amendment, not that it is actually a religion. The courts treat it as an equivalence. So-called atheist "churches" do not conduct worship services, but they do claim tax exempt status that is equivalent to what religious organizations get. Most atheists do not belong to such organizations, and they play no significant role in maintaining or spreading atheism.

 

[Yerda]

True . So what?!?!?!

So I'm thinking it's unfair to suggest that I only take an opinion because I have an agenda.

The issue is interesting many are trying to narrowly define ;religion as a scapegoat word as what other people beieve and they do not, Theists like JW do the same thing.

Ah, I see. I don't see religion as a bad thing. To be honest I don't why I'm even getting involved 30-odd pages down the line - I have no dog in this race. All the best.

 

[DNB]

You're just making claims again.
I asked you to demonstrate it.

 

[DNB]

Not sure what's tripping you up.
Just pointing out that all species are special in their own way.
Every species has unique traits that distinguish them from every other species.
Do you disagree with that?


That's not unique to humans, actually.
It's just overdeveloped in humans.

What the flippin' heck are you talking about?

 

[DNB]

What is "non-secular" about those?

Bye!

 

[DNB]

Those quotes came from Christians, some of them early church fathers.

I'm a Christian - so what are you accusing me of?

 

[DNB]

And not one of those times did you provide a thoughtful response, or even demonstrate that you read any of it. All of your responses are flippant hand-waving, which indicates that you are not a person who is interested in honest discussion.

Prove me wrong.

What did you expect me to do, after you said that you won't respond anymore?

 

[DNB]

If your life experience has led to that conclusion, then you have my sympathy.

It isn't that way for everyone. It doesn't have to be that way.

I'm not the one who came up with the cliché, obviously?
It was coined before I was even born.
What planet are you living on?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm not the one who came up with the cliché, obviously?
It was coined before I was even born.
What planet are you living on?

So you don't actually agree with what you wrote, then?

 

[DNB]

So you don't actually agree with what you wrote, then?

earth to penguin, earth to penguin, come in penguin, are you there...?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

earth to penguin, earth to penguin, come in penguin, are you there...?

Oh, I'm here. Just waiting (in vain, probably) for you to express a coherent thought.

 

[DNB]

Oh, I'm here. Just waiting (in vain, probably) for you to express a coherent thought.

mamma flippin' mia!!!
I said that it's a dog-eat-dog world, as far as my experiences are concerned.
You said, not in your world, therefore I deserve pity.
I said, I'm not alone in that sentiment, obviously flippin' heck
You said, therefore, i don't believe what I said.

again: earth to penguin, earth to penguin...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yeah, it sucks, doesn't it, when people ask you to actually support and demonstrate your drivel....

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What the flippin' heck are you talking about?

What part didn't you understand?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Bye!

Hello.

You didn't answer the question.