atheism is a (religious position)

[DNB]

I mean they have a point, DNB. We write out posts and you respond in a passive-aggressive manner.



Because they are true followers of Jesus. To say otherwise is to fall into the no true scotsman fallacy. It's a way to weasel out of responsibility.

At what point do we call someone a charlatan or hypocrite, or an exemplar?

 

[DNB]

I question the integrity of many Theists that cling to weak and false explanations of our existence based on ancient tribal mythical literature without considering the knowledge we have today of science, our vast diversity of human history ot tens of thousands of years and more. Relationships with those who believe differently.

I disagree with Atheists a lot, but nonetheless they are mostly well grounded in the integrity of their knowledge of our physical existence through science.

I question your understanding as to what compels a theist to believe as they do. Faith is wisdom, theists perceive what the atheist does not.
We see the spirit in man that guides all his actions and desires - as opposed to his instincts or intellect.
Every society throughout the history man, and throughout the world, has clearly reveled a spiritual propensity towards the transcendent.
Either man is a complete moron, or he is a spiritual creature. And, if the latter, that spirit must have a source other than stardust and protoplasm.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I question the integrity of you atheists.

Yes, your prejudice and intolerance were already quite clear.
That's partially what I was talking about.
It's just bigotry.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Faith is wisdom,

No. Faith is gullibility.

theists perceive what the atheist does not.

So they believe.

Every society throughout the history man, and throughout the world, has clearly reveled a spiritual propensity towards the transcendent.

The vast majority of which you don't believe in and believe to be false beliefs.
We agree on 99.999% of religions and religious beliefs out there being false.
It's just that one religion you happen to follow that we disagree on.

So why you bring this up as if it is an argument in your favor is just bizar.

Either man is a complete moron, or he is a spiritual creature.

Or, like most animals, humans are just rather prone to engage in superstition / cognition resulting in false beliefs.

And, if the latter, that spirit must have a source other than stardust and protoplasm.

Or the tendency to be superstitious or engage in cognition errors has a source in human psychology.
Which it demonstrably has.

 

[paarsurrey]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

It is not really relevant either way whether they admit it or not. Atheists are simply atheists and believe and debate from that perspective.

Even though I am a Theist I believe the atheist have a better argument than any one of the ancient tribal religions especially concerning issues of science. Science is a very confusing and contradictory subject for believers in ancient religions.

 

[F1fan]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

The same way that a sedentary lifestyle is a type of sport.

 

[ChristineM]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

Like not collecting stamps is a hobby

 

[ChristineM]

Science is a very confusing and contradictory subject for believers in ancient religions.

It appears to be contradictory and confusing to many believers in modern religions

 

[Audie]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

No, thats just you transparently
trying to drag us into the hole you
are in.
You/your beliefs are not, cant ever
be our equal.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

atheism is a (religious position)

But they (the Atheism people) won't admit it, right?

Regards

Atheism is a statement that one does not believe in any God/god.

It is not a religion.

Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that bald is a hair color.

BTW, there are atheists who are religious, despite their lack of belief in any God. In my life, I've met both Buddhists and religious Jews who are atheist.

BTW, it is not good English to say "the Atheism people." They are referred to as Atheists.

 

[shunyadragon]

It appears to be contradictory and confusing to many believers in modern religions

I disagree. Modern religions like UU and the Baha'i Faith accept science as is.

The belief whether atheism is a religion or not is basically a non-issue, and splitting frog hairs over terminology.

There are a number churches and believers in religion that consider what they believe is not a religion or a church like Jehovah Witnesses. When I spent some time in Israel I found it common that some Jews do not consider what they believe a religion. The believers will often describe what other people believe as churches and religions. It is a meaningless word game.

 

[ChristineM]

I disagree. Modern religions like UU and the Baha'i Faith accept science as is.

The belief whether atheism is a religion or not is basically a non-issue, and splitting frog hairs over terminology.

There are a number churches and believers in religion that consider what they believe not a religion or a church like Jehovah Witnesses. When I spent some time in Israel I found it common that some Jews do not consider what they believe a religion. The believers will often describe what other people believe as churches and religions. It is a meaningless word game.

JW are a fairly modern religion they have terrible trouble with science

 

[shunyadragon]

JW are a fairly modern religion they have terrible trouble with science

JW is one of the many versions of the ancient fundamentalist Christianity, Nothing new or modern. Some Church Fathers advocated the be;eifs like JW.

By the way JW claim they are not a religion or a church.

 

[shunyadragon]

At what point do we call someone a charlatan or hypocrite, or an exemplar?

Well, ah . . . most often the one who does not believe as others do will call others charlatan, hypocrites or maybe evii. Sort of the vocabulary theists often use to describe atheists.

An exemplar is the egocentric view of the self.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Like not collecting stamps is a hobby

Yeah it's a crazy argument isn't it?

Can you imagine a world where anyone in their right mind would think Theism actually came first?

Imagine this crazy totally illogical hypothetical conservation, An atheist coming up to another atheist and stating, "There is no God", and the other atheist puzzled would go, "What's a god?

 

[paarsurrey]

Religion is fundamentally divisive. That's not helping!

Yeah it's a crazy argument isn't it?

Can you imagine a world where anyone in their right mind would think Theism actually came first?

Imagine this crazy totally illogical hypothetical conservation, An atheist coming up to another atheist and stating, "There is no God", and the other atheist puzzled would go, "What's a god?

Like not collecting stamps is a hobby

Isn't it a rhetoric of the Atheisms people if not a chant, one amongst many, please, right??

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

Religion is fundamentally divisive. That's not helping!


Isn't it a rhetoric of the Atheisms people if not a chant, one amongst many, please, right??

Regards

Explain why many people of different religious beliefs claim that they are not a religion or a church?

 

[shunyadragon]

Religion is fundamentally divisive. That's not helping!


Isn't it a rhetoric of the Atheisms people if not a chant, one amongst many, please, right??

Regards

No. It is best to date the substance of the subject such as: atheism vs. theism vs. agnosticism, and not use word games as a smokescreen to avoid the debate. The rhetoric is the word games avoiding the subject,

 

[shunyadragon]

I question your understanding as to what compels a theist to believe as they do. Faith is wisdom, theists perceive what the atheist does not.
We see the spirit in man that guides all his actions and desires - as opposed to his instincts or intellect.
Every society throughout the history man, and throughout the world, has clearly reveled a spiritual propensity towards the transcendent.
Either man is a complete moron, or he is a spiritual creature. And, if the latter, that spirit must have a source other than stardust and protoplasm.

I do not consider faith is wisdom. There are too many contradictory and conflicting claims based on "faith" for faith itself to be equated with wisdom

My sort of satorie (awakening) concerning faith: "Regardless of how strong and convinced of my faith. anything I could believe is most likely wrong in some way if not totally wrong."