Atheism is not a default position

[Pudding]

Is anyone forcing everyone must accept the opinion of "athesim is the default position" ?

One can have the opinion that "athesim is the default position".
Other one can also have the opinion that "thesim is the default position".
Another one can also have the opinion that "both athesim and theism is not the default position".

If people feels like to debate about their opinion, it's okay to do so.
If agreement can't be achieve, then the debate may not be continue any further, every sides have to agree to disagree. Unless any sides wish to force everyone must accept their opinion, is there any side have done it here or any other place? And please don't make a sweeping generalization that all the atheist or theist is the same in this regard.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

don't pretend pasting labels on babies is a valid argument.

Are you even trying to make sense?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

double talk.
If you know what a god is......you're declaration is pending.

If you refrain the choice....plead ...'I don't know'....
that is ignorance.

Ignorance is not theism. A person who has no god-concepts can't believe in any gods.

Theism and atheism form a MECE set. Everyone is either one or the other and nobody is both, so arguing that a person isn't an atheist is equivalent to arguing that he is a theist.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We are not aware of things we are not aware of, yes. But we've no call saying we, or another, are unaware of god if, because we are unaware of it, we haven't even defined what this "god" thing is that is so important to theists. In the case of arguing from ignorance, I tend to fall on the side of caution.

Terms like "atheist" and "theist" are based on the individual's understanding of godhood.

I believe in the god of the Rastafarians (Haile Selassie) and the god of the cult of Sol Invictus (the Sun), but I'm still an atheist because I don't have an understanding of godhood that would imply that either of these are gods.

At the same time, when we're deciding whether the Rastafarians or Sol Invictus-followers are theists, *my* rejection of the godhood of their gods is irrelevant; they consider them to be gods, therefore they're theists.

A person who's unaware of gods can't possibly be a theist and therefore *must* be an atheist.

"This 'god' thing" hasn't been defined at all... or rather, it's been defined so many times that there's no single generally accepted definition, and the mainstream definitions contradict each other. This is what allows us to call Muslims who believe in angels "monotheists" and Pagans who believe in gods very similar to angels to be "polytheists". When talking about what sort of believer or non-believer a person is, their own understanding is what matters... and someone with no understanding can have no belief at all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Is anyone forcing everyone must accept the opinion of "athesim is the default position" ?

One can have the opinion that "athesim is the default position".
Other one can also have the opinion that "thesim is the default position".
Another one can also have the opinion that "both athesim and theism is not the default position".

Of course. Nobody's saying that it's impossible to hold wrong opinions.

 

[McBell]

Not I....
and it looks like you made a choice.....
hope it wasn't based on ignorance.

What choice are you assuming I have made?

 

[Sees]

What choice are you assuming I have made?

Isn't the avatar a dead giveaway?

 

[McBell]

Isn't the avatar a dead giveaway?

If you say so.

I do find it extremely comical that he claims he makes no assumptions in the same post he makes assumptions.

 

[Thief]

What choice are you assuming I have made?

o goody...I get to choose a label and stick on you.....
and wait see if you declare me ...right?.....or wrong?

you ARE an atheist!!!!!!

now make your declaration......

 

[Thief]

Ignorance is not theism. A person who has no god-concepts can't believe in any gods.

Theism and atheism form a MECE set. Everyone is either one or the other and nobody is both, so arguing that a person isn't an atheist is equivalent to arguing that he is a theist.

no it isn't....
denial made....( a declaration)

 

[Thief]

So ignorance isn't just not knowing, it's also knowing and knot knowing.

k not knowing?

but I think you understand my post.
several participants are really serious about ignoring the obvious line of declaration.
they want their label anywhere they can get support....
even unsuspecting babies .....and inanimate rocks .....will do.

 

[Pudding]

Of course. Nobody's saying that it's impossible to hold wrong opinions.

Okay.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

no it isn't....
denial made....( a declaration)

When you have something more substantial than "nyuh uh!" let me know.

 

[Willamena]

k not knowing?

Just a pun.

but I think you understand my post.
several participants are really serious about ignoring the obvious line of declaration.
they want their label anywhere they can get support....
even unsuspecting babies .....and inanimate rocks .....will do.

 

[Demonslayer]

Theism and atheism form a MECE set. Everyone is either one or the other and nobody is both,

What about a deist? A deist is neither a theist nor an atheist.
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Deism is the belief in a creator, who made the world but does not take a personal interest in it -- doesn't require worship, answer prayers, judge behavior, or necessarily promise a life after death (unless that was part of the original creation). Deism is a fairly benign belief, because there are no consequences for accepting or rejecting it.

Theism is the belief in an active, interventionist god who not only created the world (and some believe fine-tuned it for human use), but also may require worship, answer prayers, judge sinners, and may have created a divine son or other entities to live among humans. Theists are 100 percent certain their god(s) exist, and have faith in this without any objective, verifiable evidence. There are many theistic religions, each of which insists it is the only true one.

Atheism is the absence of belief in any gods. It is not a belief system and it is not a religion. Based on the absence of any evidence for the existence of any god(s) where such evidence should be if god(s) did exist, many atheists are 99.9 percent certain that no god(s) exist. But they are open to the slight possibility they could be wrong and would be willing to accept the existence of god(s) if convincing objective, verifiable evidence were to appear. Therefore they do not have faith in the nonexistence of god(s). They simply have no belief in any gods,

 

[Desert Snake]

Theism and atheism form a MECE set. Everyone is either one or the other and nobody is both,

What about a deist? A deist is neither a theist nor an atheist.
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Deism is the belief in a creator, who made the world but does not take a personal interest in it -- doesn't require worship, answer prayers, judge behavior, or necessarily promise a life after death (unless that was part of the original creation). Deism is a fairly benign belief, because there are no consequences for accepting or rejecting it.

Theism is the belief in an active, interventionist god who not only created the world (and some believe fine-tuned it for human use), but also may require worship, answer prayers, judge sinners, and may have created a divine son or other entities to live among humans. Theists are 100 percent certain their god(s) exist, and have faith in this without any objective, verifiable evidence. There are many theistic religions, each of which insists it is the only true one.

Atheism is the absence of belief in any gods. It is not a belief system and it is not a religion. Based on the absence of any evidence for the existence of any god(s) where such evidence should be if god(s) did exist, many atheists are 99.9 percent certain that no god(s) exist. But they are open to the slight possibility they could be wrong and would be willing to accept the existence of god(s) if convincing objective, verifiable evidence were to appear. Therefore they do not have faith in the nonexistence of god(s). They simply have no belief in any gods,

Where did you come up with these definitions? hilarious

 

[McBell]

o goody...I get to choose a label and stick on you.....
and wait see if you declare me ...right?.....or wrong?

you ARE an atheist!!!!!!

now make your declaration......

Correct.
I am an atheist.
I am an atheist because I have no belief concerning the existence of any god for or against.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Theism and atheism form a MECE set. Everyone is either one or the other and nobody is both,

What about a deist? A deist is neither a theist nor an atheist.

Deism (belief in a non-interventionist god) is a subset of theism (belief in one or more gods).

 

[McBell]

no it isn't....
denial made....( a declaration)

Denial?
What is being denied other than your bold empty claims?

 

[Thief]

Correct.
I am an atheist.
I am an atheist because I have no belief concerning the existence of any god for or against.

Denial?
What is being denied other than your bold empty claims?

I deny also your crutch and cliché....

'for or against'.....?
does that make a you a strong atheist?.....or just 'wishy-washy' nonbeliever?