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Atheism is not a default position

leibowde84

Veteran Member
There are two levels of ignorance.....
You are not informed....you are ignorant.
You choose to ignore....you are profoundly ignorant.
If you "choose" to ignore something, then, by definition, you are not "ignorant" of it. Your comment is nonsensical, as you are just making up your own definition for the term "ignorant".
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
How is one who doesn't believe that God exists "choosing to ignore God"? They are choosing to ignore something that doesn't exist? That doesn't make any sense.
And if you don't believe....you would indeed go on....ignoring....
you would not give it another thought.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
And if you don't believe....you would indeed go on....ignoring....
you would not give it another thought.
Why do you think that those who lack belief in God are "ignoring" God? I don't believe in unicorns because I have not been presented with sufficient evidence to buy into that belief. Am I "ignoring" unicorns?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
We've been tossing babies....and now unicorns....
old hat....
I've never used the ignore option.
How about you
oh that's right, you don't know who you are
and you think I don't know who I am.
so it's not likely you would know anything about God.

and this discussion of ignorance is going soooooooo well....
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
We've been tossing babies....and now unicorns....
old hat....
I've never used the ignore option.
How about you
oh that's right, you don't know who you are
and you think I don't know who I am.
so it's not likely you would know anything about God.

and this discussion of ignorance is going soooooooo well....
Do actually talk to people in real life?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
We've been tossing babies....and now unicorns....
old hat....
I've never used the ignore option.
How about you
oh that's right, you don't know who you are
and you think I don't know who I am.
so it's not likely you would know anything about God.

and this discussion of ignorance is going soooooooo well....
I find it hard to believe that a guy with a 125 IQ would back away so easily from a logical challenge. You make claims, but when people press you for support/explanation behind them, you either change the subject completely or do this. What's your deal?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Yeah, but where are they? What evidence is there that you can show me of their existence?

I lean to the effect.
There are 7billion copies of a device designed to learn.

There is no mystery to life.
Each occasion forms a fresh spirit with a unique perspective.

Wanna see God?.....

think you will.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I lean to the effect.
There are 7billion copies of a device designed to learn.

There is no mystery to life.
Each occasion forms a fresh spirit with a unique perspective.

Wanna see God?.....

think you will.
Affirming the consequent isn't evidence.

Do you actually have any evidence? If you don't, then what exactly am I ignoring?
 
You have to be consistent Marco.
If you prove god's existence by using this "Cause and Effect" argument, then isn't Poseidon just as provable using the same law?

The waves crashing is the effect - Poseidon's anger is the cause.
The thunder booming is the effect - Thor's hammer is the cause.
The woman getting pregnant is the effect - Aphrodite's blessing is the cause.
The world's creation is the effect - God's boredom is the cause.\

So your God is just as real as Thor. (Should make for a better Avenger's movie...)

Give me the cause of everything you said.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Show us something that doesn't obey cause and effect law.

A photon causing the birth of two particles. Or are the two particles causing the birth of the photon?

You cannot say, unless you view those things from a vantage point not in thermodynamical equilibrium.

Therefore, if the universe was not in a thermodynamical context at its birth, you cannot really say if God is the cause or the effect of the universe. Unless, you beg the question, of course ;)

Ciao

- viole
 
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