Atheism is not a default position

[Jumi]

I assume they can neither believe nor disbelieve in it, as there is nothing for them to believe or disbelieve, i.e. no proposition.

So you mean when someone is educated about definitions of certain god group, they will form beliefs A(believes), B(disbelieves) forming a group for example of six gods {B, A, B, B, B, A} but before they hear about the definition they do not believe and you take this to be different because they have some definition. Their lack of belief in the same deity group is {C, C, C, C, C, C}.

If I tell you about a new god(one that my ancestors might have worshipped) Ilmatar what is your state of belief before and after hearing about it? Has it shifted from C to B?

 

[`mud]

One hundred and sixty one posts to hear that there's nothing out there to hear.
~
'mud

 

[Willamena]

But, you would agree that they "lack" or are "without" the belief, correct?

They lack the capacity to believe (in it).

 

[Willamena]

So you mean when someone is educated about definitions of certain god group, they will form beliefs A(believes), B(disbelieves) forming a group for example of six gods {B, A, B, B, B, A} but before they hear about the definition they do not believe and you take this to be different because they have some definition. Their lack of belief in the same deity group is {C, C, C, C, C, C}.

I don't know what that means, so I don't know if that's what I mean. But I can confess that I've never thought that.

If I tell you about a new god(one that my ancestors might have worshipped) Ilmatar what is your state of belief before and after hearing about it? Has it shifted from C to B?

My state of belief before hearing about it isn't.

 

[Thief]

No, the default position is what we have without doing anything. When you are a "blank slate" so to speak.

You cannot have a position.....if you have a blank slate.

 

[Thief]

only comforting lies.....

Step up your retorts....they are shallow.

 

[Thief]

One hundred and sixty one posts to hear that there's nothing out there to hear.
~
'mud

.....and some have ears and hear not....
part of a famous quote.

 

[Aquitaine]

Step up your retorts....they are shallow.

Until you can present some credible evidence, they're nothing more than myths.
Too bad.

 

[Thief]

Until you can present some credible evidence, they're nothing more than myths.
Too bad.

and with all of your experience discussing religion.....you know...
there will never be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or repeatable experiment.
no proof.

as for evidence....
Look up at the stars and consider the earth and the life upon it.

if this fails as evidence......for you.....too bad.

 

[Aquitaine]

and with all of your experience discussing religion.....you know...
there will never be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or repeatable experiment.
no proof.

as for evidence....
Look up at the stars and consider the earth and the life upon it.

if this fails as evidence......for you.....too bad.

Feel free to believe such myths.

 

[Thief]

Feel free to believe such myths.

not free of that point.....I could not find a denial to support.

 

[Iti oj]

Time to lay this rhinoceros to rest. If you accept that atheism describes the person who has no interest in, no knowledge about, or no particular belief about god, then atheism cannot be described as a "default position" on a scale of beliefs.

Diid.

i don't accept two of those things .

 

[atanu]

They simply lack belief. It is a fact that they do. You lack belief in everything that you don't know about.

Babies have not encountered any proposition nor made any stand wrt the proposition regarding absence or presence of deity.

 

[atanu]

For me, atheism was the default.
I was born not believing in gods.
When I learned of various religions, I learned of some specific gods I still didn't believe in.
The only thing that changed was discovering the vast diversity & complexity of supernatural beliefs.

In the context, for a baby, the words believing or disbelieving cannot apply. The position for a baby and an ignorant atheist like you would be "neither belief nor disbelief".

 

[Revoltingest]

In the context, for a baby, the words believing or disbelieving cannot apply. The position for a baby and an ignorant atheist like you would be "neither belief nor disbelief".

I say that "disbelieving" can range from passive not believing to active not believing.

 

[atanu]

Atheism is the denial of God, a Secular approach is basically "non-religious" and doesn't' deny a deity, nor posit one.....

Until you can present some credible evidence, they're nothing more than myths.
Too bad.

Feel free to believe such myths.

The first claim is ".. Does not deny and does not posit... ", even claiming a baby like innocence/ignorance. Yet there is such emphatic opinion that what other person believes is only 'MYTH'. Ha ha.

 

[atanu]

I say that "disbelieving" can range from passive not believing to active not believing.

It can. But such range is covered under 'doing' in the context of the OP.

 

[Willamena]

For me, atheism was the default.
I was born not believing in gods.
When I learned of various religions, I learned of some specific gods I still didn't believe in.
The only thing that changed was discovering the vast diversity & complexity of supernatural beliefs.

What this tells me is that you never learned "disbelief" in your schooling.

 

[McBell]

What this tells me is that you never learned "disbelief" in your schooling.

Really?
How so?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Meaning it has independently developed in the majority of humans over time?

No. Of course, it HAS developed over time, but that wasn't what I meant nor what the literature refers to. After all, atheism didn't exist so far as we can tell for most of human existence (the Greek atheos didn't mean a disbelief in gods, as this was unthinkable).