Atheism is not a default position

[Desert Snake]

My apologies. If we both agree that there is no evidence, then no prob.

Lol I did not say that, but ''evidence'', is highly subjective.

 

[Bunyip]

You see no difference between a person who says "I don't believe but I won't go so far as to say I know God doesn't exist" and a person who says "I don't believe and I will go so far as to say I know God doesn't exist"?

Well they are both atheists. I'm sure that there are other differences between them.

 

[Desert Snake]

Um....no, saying 'knows God doesn't exist' leaves no room for theism. It is definitely atheism.

Then ''I don't know'', is not atheism. The meaning is completely different from 'knows deity doesn't exist''.

 

[Bunyip]

Lol I did not say that, but ''evidence'', is a tricky thing. And it's highly subjective.

Example?

 

[Bunyip]

Then ''I don't know'', is not atheism.

Why not?

The meaning is completely different from 'knows deity doesn't exist''.

Sure, but both are atheist.

 

[ArtieE]

'I don't know', leaves an equal option for theism, as for atheism. So, it is not ''atheism''. Technically.

Correct. Both a theist and an atheist can be a gnostic or agnostic.

 

[Desert Snake]

Example?

No thanks. If you want examples, perhaps try the Judaism DIR, or the Christianity DIR. I am not opposed to this sort of thing, but it's off topic, and the format is sketchy.

 

[psychoslice]

Oh my god, semantics, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

 

[Bunyip]

No thanks. If you want examples, perhaps try the Judaism DIR, or the Christianity DIR. I am not opposed to this sort of thing, but it's off topic, and the format is sketchy.

So you believe that there is evidence for God?

 

[Bunyip]

Oh my god, semantics, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

Semantics is all apologetics has left.

 

[psychoslice]

Semantics is all apologetics has left.

He he, I think your right lol.

 

[Bunyip]

He he, I think your right lol.

Yeah!


Really!


Do ya THINK I'm right? Or do you KNOW it?

 

[ArtieE]

Well they are both atheists. I'm sure that there are other differences between them.

One is an agnostic atheist the other a gnostic atheist. That is the difference between them.

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah!


Really!


Do ya THINK I'm right? Or do you KNOW it?

Well to be honest, I think I know, I am ignorant as the rest.

 

[ArtieE]

Then ''I don't know'', is not atheism.

Correct. "I don't know" can apply to both a theist and atheist.

 

[ArtieE]

Why not? Sure, but both are atheist.

"I don't know" is agnosticism not atheism. You can have both agnostic theists and agnostic atheists.

 

[psychoslice]

Why all the labels ??

 

[Bunyip]

"I don't know" is agnosticism not atheism. You can have both agnostic theists and agnostic atheists.

Yes of course, we have covered that before haven't we?

 

[Desert Snake]

Correct. "I don't know" can apply to both a theist and atheist.

Agreed. Or neither.

 

[psychoslice]

The ego is out in force lol.