Atheism is not a default position

[Bunyip]

Because ''no evidence'', is subjective. That's your summation, not necessarily others. Hence it's not in any practical or real sense ''knowing''.

It's just your perspective/opinion

Is it? Oh ok - show me the evidence?

 

[Bunyip]

So if a person says "I don't believe" he means the same as if he had said "I don't know"?

In reference to disbelief in God - yes.

 

[Desert Snake]

What is the difference in practice between not believing an unevidenced entity exists, and knowing something for which there is no evidence does not exist?

In theism, it doesn't necessarily require ''knowing'', that deity exists, either, so it's an apples & oranges thing. It's putting an arbitrary attribute to theism that it may not possess.*
*depends on the individual

 

[Bunyip]

In theism, it doesn't necessarily require ''knowing'', that deity exists, either, so it's an apples & oranges thing. It's putting an arbitrary attribute to theism that it may not possess.*
*depends on the individual

Well of course not, it is not possible to know god exists.

 

[psychoslice]

So if a person says "I don't believe" he means the same as if he had said "I don't know"?

This is true, but most won't admit they don't know, they see it as not having faith, I feel they should simply admit they just don't know, in stead of being arrogant and ignorant, what's wrong in not knowing ?.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Oh yes of course.....thank you for the return....

Oddly enough, we walk about with the harmful things within....
the same things that will kill us if not for the default condition of good health.

Much like lacking belief.
It's all fine until we die.

Then that item of eternal life could fail....
for lack of belief.

Doesn't much change anything even if true. Even if god exists it doesn't change the fact that lacking the belief is still the default position.

 

[Desert Snake]

Is it? Oh ok - show me the evidence?

Why?
That's not my problem.

 

[Desert Snake]

Is it? Oh ok - show me the evidence?

What are your standards for ''evidence'', out of curiosity.

 

[Bunyip]

Why?
That's not my problem.

Well because you said that it exists. If such evidence exists, I would love to see it.

 

[Bunyip]

What are your standards for ''evidence'', out of curiosity.

Something objectively verifiable would do. But I can happily consider anything.

 

[ArtieE]

In reference to disbelief in God - yes.

Of course not. A person might very well say "I don't believe in fact I will go as far as to say I know God doesn't exist". So how can "I don't believe" mean the same as "I don't know"?

 

[Bunyip]

Of course not. A person might very well say "I don't believe in fact I will go as far as to say I know God doesn't exist". So how can "I don't believe" mean the same as "I don't know"?

What difference does it make? You said it was the same person who does not believe god exists, and at the same time knows God doesn't exist - so it is the same person. You are describing the position of a single person. An atheist.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well because you said that it exists.

Where did I say that? Doesn't seem like something I would say.

If such evidence exists, I would love to see it.

 

[psychoslice]

What difference does it make?

He he, that's what I was thinking lol.

 

[Desert Snake]

Something objectively verifiable would do. But I can happily consider anything.

What does 'objectively verifiable', mean, according to you?

 

[ArtieE]

What difference does it make?

You see no difference between a person who says "I don't believe but I won't go so far as to say I know God doesn't exist" and a person who says "I don't believe and I will go so far as to say I know God doesn't exist"?

 

[Desert Snake]

What difference does it make? You said it was the same person who does not believe god exists, and at the same time knows God doesn't exist - so it is the same person. You are describing the position of a single person. An atheist.

'I don't know', leaves an equal option for theism, as for atheism. So, it is not ''atheism''. Technically.

 

[Bunyip]

Where did I say that? Doesn't seem like something I would say.

My apologies. If we both agree that there is no evidence, then no prob.

 

[Desert Snake]

This is where the importance of understanding that a simple lack of does not necessarily mean a negative to.

 

[Bunyip]

'I don't know', leaves an equal option for theism, as for atheism. So, it is not ''atheism''. Technically.

Um....no, saying 'knows God doesn't exist' leaves no room for theism. It is definitely atheism.