Atheist Desire to Disprove God

[Alceste]

I can.

But it has a lot to do with believing in God.

Ever consider the choice of what you will be...might not be yours?

(Notice the title of the thread.)

Of course, not having belief.....won't yield anything positive.
'Terminal' is preferred?
No hope for more?...(life).

Easier to say 'nay'...apparently.

Neither of us have any say, and we will both be compost. The advantage of my religious apathy is that until we return to the dust, I can experience life with my eyes and heart wide open, while you can not. You are too distracted by your vain hopes and superstition.

 

[Thief]

Neither of us have any say, and we will both be compost. The advantage of my religious apathy is that until we return to the dust, I can experience life with my eyes and heart wide open, while you can not. You are too distracted by your vain hopes and superstition.

I have no superstitions.

Denial is closed minded.....eyes wide open....or closed.

 

[Alceste]

I have no superstitions.

Denial is closed minded.....eyes wide open....or closed.

My mind is completely open to all factual claims with supporting evidence, including the claim your religion is true. If my lack of faith disturbs you, all you need to do is give me evidence (real evidence, not bible quotes and irrational mental gymnastics) that your religion is true, and I'll believe it.

Of course you have quite a task ahead of you considering the massive amount of evidence your religion is a rather primitive superstition.

 

[Orias]

Not being a theist isn't a belief. If you think it is, please state specifically what the belief is.

This really shouldn't be that hard.

Let's try this again. If atheism is a belief please state what belief is specific to atheism. Just asking for one.

Let me help you. "Atheists believe ____." Now fill in the blank with something that is specific to someone being an atheist, and which applies to all atheists. Understand now?

Do one thing, and prove that you actually know anything. From there we can proceed seriously, I've had enough of running in place.

The comment wasn't even directed at you, so I fail to see why you felt the need to insert your useless insult. I couldn't really care less what you find pointless, just as I doubt he cares what I find dumb.

You do realize the post you quoted and said was the dumbest you've read in a long time was mine right? I find it funny when people accuse me of trolling after they comment on my posts. But your right, that is funny

Y'know what? We're done. If you honestly think any of the above statements are true or rational, then either you can't be reasoned with on any level, or you are one of the best poes/trolls ever.

Or maybe I am able to clearly understand that fact is defined as something believed to be true, and knowledge is something perceived or believed to be true. Which means, you can't actually prove any actual "knowledge" that you hold, since all you speak of is what you hear, which makes every human fabricated label, ideal, concept, etc. etc. a belief.

And when I say "a belief" I mean it is of, outside of, and within human perception.



You have to realize that just because a bunch of people agree on one thing, does not make it just, or fact, just that it is massively believed. Again, you would of figured atheists would of learned a thing or two from their Christian counter parts...but you know...

I got tired of dancing around the point and making hostile remarks as well. It is unfortunate that such comments had to be made, but this was clearly established when the insults and 1 versus 6 started to occur.

If you wish, we can start over. Until then, you and I are through mister!

 

[Orias]

No, I am responding to your ridiculous assertion that "not a theist" is a belief.

It is a rather ridiculous assertion that either one believes a God exists or doesn't.

Given that your actual, rather inane point "atheists believe that they lack belief in a god or gods" was conceded pages ago, why are you still going? Just curious.

Because some of us here still don't understand that even knowledge is defined with belief in it, as is fact and perception.

Everything with a label is believed to be, simply because we give meaning for it's existence, otherwise it is obsolete.

 

[Alceste]

Orias. Do you see a difference between "either one does or doesn't believe a god exists", and "either one believes a god exists or doesn't"?

If not, then it will never be possible for you to grasp what the word "atheism" is meant to describe. These sentences are not interchangeable.

 

[Orias]

Orias. Do you see a difference between "either one does or doesn't believe a god exists", and "either one believes a god exists or doesn't"?

If not, then it will never be possible for you to grasp what the word "atheism" is meant to describe. These sentences are not interchangeable.

Then teach me, if you are so fluent.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

In much as I am a disbeliever in "god" as being as the intelligent creator and designer of the universe. I don't believe that the quest to disprove its existence is a scientific pursuit. It would always only down to disbelieving its existence on philosophical grounds alone. If some atheists believe they can disprove god on just purely on scientific grounds they are kidding themselves IMO. Scientists do not build telescopes on the top of mountain tops or peer down their microscopes to disprove the existence of god(s)

 

[Alceste]

Then teach me, if you are so fluent.

This is the only lesson: read those two sentences repeatedly until the difference between them becomes clear to you.

 

[Orias]

This is the only lesson: read those two sentences repeatedly until the difference between them becomes clear to you.

"Either one does or doesn't believe a God exists", "Either one believes a God exists or doesn't."

The only difference is the wording...obviously. Considering believe as in singular and believes in plural. Of course, atheism would take on the singular position, but this is really besides my point and an extremely vague interpretation of belief, since it can range from a set of ethics to a single idea!

I think you understand my point, and are stubbornly disagreeing with me

I understand completely what "atheism" is meant to "describe", in contra r to theism.

It's like your trying to push down a wall that doesn't exist...

 

[outhouse]

Then teach me, if you are so fluent.

POE you have been taught

 

[Orias]

POE you have been taught

One must be a "POE" to recognize one.

 

[Alceste]

"Either one does or doesn't believe a God exists", "Either one believes a God exists or doesn't."

The only difference is the wording...obviously. Considering believe as in singular and believes in plural. Of course, atheism would take on the singular position, but this is really besides my point and an extremely vague interpretation of belief, since it can range from a set of ethics to a single idea!

I think you understand my point, and are stubbornly disagreeing with me

I understand completely what "atheism" is meant to "describe", in contra r to theism.

It's like your trying to push down a wall that doesn't exist...

Wow, you really can't see the difference, can you?

What about this: "Either one does or does not believe in gods" and "One believes either that gods exist, or that gods do not exist"?

Any difference yet, or do they still look interchangeable to you?

 

[RitalinO.D.]

You do realize the post you quoted and said was the dumbest you've read in a long time was mine right? I find it funny when people accuse me of trolling after they comment on my posts. But your right, that is funny

So it was. Not entirely sure why I thought it was someone else. Lack of attention to detail I suppose, combined with an extremely busy day at work and it being friday. Ah well, C'est la vie.

So I guess remove the part about it not being directed at you, and take the rest at face value.

 

[Thief]

My mind is completely open to all factual claims with supporting evidence, including the claim your religion is true. If my lack of faith disturbs you, all you need to do is give me evidence (real evidence, not bible quotes and irrational mental gymnastics) that your religion is true, and I'll believe it.

Of course you have quite a task ahead of you considering the massive amount of evidence your religion is a rather primitive superstition.

I'm not religious .
Please note banner.

You don't need religion to believe in God.

Just brains.

 

[Alceste]

I'm not religious .
Please note banner.

You don't need religion to believe in God.

Just brains.

Lol, "people who disagree with me are stupid" is an argument for fools and trolls. Got nothing better?

 

[atanu]

And you didn't hear a word of it that I said. Not a word.

I think Willamena is correct.

While you seem to have a firm grasp on the way in which an ignostic is an atheist, I just hope that when you meet an ignostic, you will be able to respect the way in which he's not an atheist.

IMO, the above is the main point on which 9-10ths_Penguin should attend--to avoid confusion.

No offence meant to anyone.

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[atanu]

No, I am responding to your ridiculous assertion that "not a theist" is a belief.

Why is this assertion (of Orias) ridiculous?

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[Willamena]

"Either one does or doesn't believe a God exists", "Either one believes a God exists or doesn't."

The only difference is the wording...obviously. Considering believe as in singular and believes in plural. Of course, atheism would take on the singular position, but this is really besides my point and an extremely vague interpretation of belief, since it can range from a set of ethics to a single idea!

I think you understand my point, and are stubbornly disagreeing with me

I understand completely what "atheism" is meant to "describe", in contra r to theism.

It's like your trying to push down a wall that doesn't exist...

Essentially, for some, they do indeed say the same thing. The point is that for others, they do not. I am with you in understanding that belief follows truth, which is inherent in an honest posit --if we didn't believe a thing, we wouldn't be positing it.

 

[atanu]

I'm wondering about the title of this thread. Does every atheist actually desire to disprove god? And if not, why isn't the title something along the lines of, "The Desire of Some Atheists to Disprove God"? I wonder about that partly because it seems to me many -- perhaps most -- atheists are convinced there is an overwhelming weight of reason for their position. Consequently, it might seem to them that God is more or less disproved regardless of whether or not they desire God to be disproved.

You say but you do not.

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