Atheist Desire to Disprove God

[Thief]

Faith in what? Do you have faith in the Muslim God? The Hindu Gods? Zeus? Ra? Jupiter?

Almighty.

You can live in fear of death if you want, but I'm not buying it. Go peddle your phobias elsewhere.

Right at home...right here...

This is a religious forum.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

well thats a fine how do you do LOL

welcome to the forum

NOW who do you think your talking to and do you derail threads in other forums you visit????

Dang newbies.......desperate for attention....Knockout

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Many participants here quote equations and science as fact.

A good deal of it has indeed been rendered in experiment....
repeatable and sure.

But so much more of it is play of numbers....far beyond experiment...
and cannot be supported by lab results.

If you have no way to present testable evidence then how do you know what lies beyond (assuming there is a beyond) your existence? To me you're playing the ultimate guessing game. You want your life and your death to have meaning

Have you listened to current physicists talk of their theories?

So much of these discussions here at the forum revolve around what people claim they know.

No .....they do not.

But who ever said everyone believes that? There is enough evidence to give credence to what they say. Obviously the understanding still requires refinement. Science is ever correcting and is never opposed to assimilating new data to broaden its understanding.

What happens at the event horizon of a black hole is not known....
and will not be known.
You would have to die to know.....actually go there.
And not come back to tell the story.

Same with dying and going into the afterlife.

And which do you think is more likely?

More certain to actually happen?

Falling into a black hole. While I may not know what really happens at the event horizon I do know that we have enough evidence to suggest black holes do in fact exist. The same can not be said of the "afterlife"....

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Almighty.

But what if you're not supposed to have faith in the almighty? What if your existence in the afterlife was dependent on you having faith in the sock I left at the bottom of the cellar stairs?

You're taking a terrible risk.

Right at home...right here...

This is a religious forum.

So, you admit that you're just peddling phobias?

Warning me about an afterlife is no different to me warning you about hitting you with my imaginary baseball bat. Learn this, then stop doing it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Neither is "animals" what they are.

I think you may be using terms in a non-standard way. A human being is most definitely an animal. "Animal" doesn't describe all that it means to be a human being, but humans do fall under that umbrella term.

While theism and atheism may be defined by answering the question "Do I believe in God?", the ignostic hasn't answered the question.

And since anyone who can't give an honest "yes" to the question is an atheist, the ignostic, by providing no answer at all (and therefore no "yes") is an atheist.

As I said: absconding with it.

Meh. Whether you find the label offensive doesn't have any bearing on whether it's correct.

 

[Willamena]

I think you may be using terms in a non-standard way.

I'm really not. Walk up to 10 people on the street and ask them: "Are you an animal?" 5 might say "Yes," 5 might say "No," and at least 2 will mistakenly think they're on Candid Camera and start emulating an ape in demonstration.

A human being is most definitely an animal. "Animal" doesn't describe all that it means to be a human being, but humans do fall under that umbrella term.

But definition isn't as simple as lumping someone into a categorization. Definition (about everything) is something we do, each of us, personally, and as groups.

And since anyone who can't give an honest "yes" to the question is an atheist, the ignostic, by providing no answer at all (and therefore no "yes") is an atheist.

While you seem to have a firm grasp on the way in which an ignostic is an atheist, I just hope that when you meet an ignostic, you will be able to respect the way in which he's not an atheist.

Meh. Whether you find the label offensive doesn't have any bearing on whether it's correct.

No worries: I don't.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm really not. Walk up to 10 people on the street and ask them: "Are you an animal?" 5 might say "Yes," 5 might say "No," and at least 2 will mistakenly think they're on Candid Camera and start emulating an ape in demonstration.

I don't see how that's relevant.

What do you think they'd say if we asked them "are you endothermic?"

We'd probably only get puzzled looks, but that wouldn't imply that homo sapiens is not warm-blooded.

But definition isn't as simple as lumping someone into a categorization. Definition (about everything) is something we do, each of us, personally, and as groups.

Actually, it is that simple, as long as the categorization is valid.

While you seem to have a firm grasp on the way in which an ignostic is an atheist, I just hope that when you meet an ignostic, you will be able to respect the way in which he's not an atheist.

The first words out of my mouth wouldn't be "hey - do you know you're an atheist?" and I might not choose to bring the matter up with him at all, but that doesn't have any bearing on what he is or isn't.

There's a difference between what we prefer to be called and the terms that describe what we are.

 

[Willamena]

The first words out of my mouth wouldn't be "hey - do you know you're an atheist?" and I might not choose to bring the matter up with him at all, but that doesn't have any bearing on what he is or isn't.

There's a difference between what we prefer to be called and the terms that describe what we are.

I'm guessing you vote Conservative.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm guessing you vote Conservative.

Not so much, actually.

... but what made you say that?

 

[Willamena]

Not so much, actually.

... but what made you say that?

Because you seem to paint the world with very few colors. But no matter.

There's a difference between what we prefer to be called and the terms that describe what we are.

That's no relevant to anything I said.

 

[Civil Shephard]

I'm guessing you vote Conservative.

An Atheist Humanist Conservative Republican? Ohhhh... 9-10ths Penguin is an African American who was raised by professorial parents in the OC (Orange County)?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because you seem to paint the world with very few colors. But no matter.

Nice. :sarcastic

No, I'm happy to use the whole spectrum... but I don't think that red becomes green just because someone else might call it green.

That's no relevant to anything I said.

Then whatever your point is, it's lost on me.

 

[Willamena]

No, I'm happy to use the whole spectrum... but I don't think that red becomes green just because someone else might call it green.

Please stop with the straw man. No one's saying it does.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Please stop with the straw man. No one's saying it does.

Weren't you the one who just said this?

And some people say they aren't animals. Doesn't mean that it's true.

Neither is "animals" what they are.

So... humans aren't animals, but I'm arguing against a strawman when I say that red isn't green?

I know you like to use language in a - shall we say - unique way, and if you're going to do that, fine, but don't then act surprised when you're misunderstood (that is, if you have been misunderstood - I'm still not sure what your point was, so it's hard for me to tell whether I interpreted it properly or not).

 

[jojo50]

I agree there are many atheists out there who are not doing this. But it seems to me that the new atheists like Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens, are really going out of their way to negate the value, contribution, of religion -- positing a world without religion, in an almost militant and aggressive style. They wear Scarlet A's on their jackets, and blame most of society's ills on religion. Thoughts?

God warn humans,especially his people of these things. remember, it was a perfect being who,Not only turn against the creator. but for a minute,has his servants do the same,though they later regret it. satan has many going against God. sad thing is...satan doesn't give a crap about ANY human. he knows he's going down. and he's planning on taking as many of us as he can with him.

after all,he 's gotten many earthly ministers teaching his way,(though they believe they're not),...2Cor.11:13-15, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

so until this system of things end...we will always see the "God isn't real,so don't believe" people. i personally don't focus or choose to listen to what others believe. as i said many times... just hope the believers are wrong. because if not, and we're here when the end come. many would be acting like those in the days of the flood,and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah...running and screaming for their lives. i just hope and pray i'm doing my best,if not,my butt will be doing the same. peace

 

[Willamena]

Weren't you the one who just said this?

And you didn't hear a word of it that I said. Not a word.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And you didn't hear a word of it that I said. Not a word.

I can only read the words you actually write. If they don't match up with the point you were trying to make, there's not a lot I can do to fix this.

Again: when you use words in ways that you know differ from how people generally use them, don't be surprised when people interpret them based on their common meanings and not your revised version.

 

[Willamena]

when you use words in ways that you know differ from how people generally use them, don't be surprised when people interpret them based on their common meanings and not your revised version.

One last time: I'm not.


I can't put you on ignore, as you're a mod, but we're done. So please stop.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

as i said many times... just hope the believers are wrong. because if not, and we're here when the end come. many would be acting like those in the days of the flood,and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah...running and screaming for their lives. i just hope and pray i'm doing my best,if not,my butt will be doing the same. peace

Really?

So there's nothing you'd do differently if you didn't believe in God?

 

[Orias]

No, Orias. A lack of belief does not equal a disbelief.

I'm sorry you think that I actually think that.

That's not a belief specific to atheism. It's more of a definition than a belief anyway, but even if you classify it as a belief, it's not a belief which would make you an atheist, or which results from being an atheist. So, once again, if atheism itself is a belief, what is the specific belief that results from being an atheist?

Actually it is.

A belief is anything that is believed to be.

Sorry, wrong again. I'm an atheist, and I don't believe either of those things. Why is this so hard for you?

It's not. Your just trying to sugar up your subsequent nothingness

Let's try this again. You say atheim is a belief. Why can't you simply tell me what the belief is that specifically results from me being an atheist or that makes me an atheist?

Not being a theist, for the fourth time.