Atheist Desire to Disprove God

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That some atheists would abscond with it is obvious. Nevertheless, to the ignostic they are different things.

And some people say they aren't animals. Doesn't mean that it's true.

An ignostic says that the term "god" is undefined, which means that phrases like "God exists" are meaningless and therefore cannot be evaluated for their truthfulness.

Defining a statement is a requirement for evaluating it. You can't assent to the truth of something until after that something is defined. Since anyone who does not assent to the truth of the statement "at least one god exists" is an atheist, the ignostic, because he does not assent to the statement (on the grounds that he considers it meaningless), is an atheist.

 

[Thief]

In fact my mind is very open to any and all propositions with credible supporting evidence. I think perhaps you are projecting your own intolerance of alternative perspectives onto others.

I have evidence your religion is false: you are my evidence. You are unable to form a reasoned argument to support it and you do not appear to be an unusually fortunate, wise, admirable or ethical individual. If your "faith" pleases your interventionist god, he has a funny way of showing it.

Poor assumptions on all points.
Notice the banner...rogue theologian.

You lump a lot on emotion in your post.

Afterlife is a possibility.

First a positive attitude....then move on.

Without looking forward...all you can do is look down.
That's where you're headed.

It's got nothing to do with religion.
Or the way you feel about it.

 

[Thief]

Yes, it does. You said the consequence of not believing in God is that God will poof you out of existence. That's an attempt to scare someone into believing.

Fear has nothing to do with it.
If anything....fear makes you dysfunctional.

Can you make this make sense?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
It will be done unto you as you did unto others.

Yes, it does. In this case, it has the consequence of allowing me to live a normal life without worrying about religious nonsense.

And like everyone else you will die a normal death.
For you...that will be where it ends.

Again with the scare tactics. Yes, there is no afterlife. But I'm also not going to start believing in God just in the off chance there is an afterlife where this god of yours punishes me for not believing he exists. That's because I can see the massive folly in Pascal's Wager.

Call it folly if you care to.

But it's not God doing the punishing.
You either fit in or you don't.

 

[Alceste]

That some atheists would abscond with it is obvious. Nevertheless, to the ignostic they are different things.

Perhaps to the agnostic ignostic.

 

[Thief]

Please explain....:sad:

Many participants here quote equations and science as fact.

A good deal of it has indeed been rendered in experiment....
repeatable and sure.

But so much more of it is play of numbers....far beyond experiment...
and cannot be supported by lab results.

Have you listened to current physicists talk of their theories?

So much of these discussions here at the forum revolve around what people claim they know.

No .....they do not.

What happens at the event horizon of a black hole is not known....
and will not be known.
You would have to die to know.....actually go there.
And not come back to tell the story.

Same with dying and going into the afterlife.

And which do you think is more likely?......more 'do' able?

More certain to actually happen?

 

[Alceste]

Poor assumptions on all points.
Notice the banner...rogue theologian.

You lump a lot on emotion in your post.

Afterlife is a possibility.

First a positive attitude....then move on.

Without looking forward...all you can do is look down.
That's where you're headed.

It's got nothing to do with religion.
Or the way you feel about it.

Stop telling me I'm going to hell for having a different opinion than you do. It's tacky, boring and rude.

 

[Thief]

Stop telling me I'm going to hell for having a different opinion than you do. It's tacky, boring and rude.

I didn't say you were going to hell.

Another assumption on your part.

 

[Willamena]

And some people say they aren't animals. Doesn't mean that it's true.

Neither is "animals" what they are.

An ignostic says that the term "god" is undefined, which means that phrases like "God exists" are meaningless and therefore cannot be evaluated for their truthfulness.

Not quite. An ignostic says the term "god" needs to be defined before it can meaningfully be evaluated. This includes those ignostics who would accept that everyone has their own definition of "god" that is meaningful to that person, but none that is meaningful to him/her.

Defining a statement is a requirement for evaluating it. You can't assent to the truth of something until after that something is defined.

No argument, there.

Since anyone who does not assent to the truth of the statement "at least one god exists" is an atheist, the ignostic, because he does not assent to the statement (on the grounds that he considers it meaningless), is an atheist.

While theism and atheism may be defined by answering the question "Do I believe in God?", the ignostic hasn't answered the question.

As I said: absconding with it.

 

[Alceste]

I didn't say you were going to hell.

Another assumption on your part.

There isn't a pair of eyeballs in the world large enough to express the amount of rolling this kind of smarmy double speak calls for. When you said "you're going 'down'", you meant "to hell". The meaning is obvious and the post is there for all to see. Furthermore, you INTENDED the meaning to be obvious. Pretending that wasn't your meaning is a childish game and I refuse to play it. May your god smite you with muteness if you can not learn to speak plainly and take credit for your words.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Many participants here quote equations and science as fact.

A good deal of it has indeed been rendered in experiment....
repeatable and sure.

But so much more of it is play of numbers....far beyond experiment...
and cannot be supported by lab results.

Have you listened to current physicists talk of their theories?

So much of these discussions here at the forum revolve around what people claim they know.

No .....they do not.

What happens at the event horizon of a black hole is not known....
and will not be known.
You would have to die to know.....actually go there.
And not come back to tell the story.

Same with dying and going into the afterlife.

And which do you think is more likely?......more 'do' able?

More certain to actually happen?

Falling into the event horizon of a black hole.

 

[Thief]

There isn't a pair of eyeballs in the world large enough to express the amount of rolling this kind of smarmy double speak calls for. When you said "you're going 'down'", you meant "to hell". The meaning is obvious and the post is there for all to see. Furthermore, you INTENDED the meaning to be obvious. Pretending that wasn't your meaning is a childish game and I refuse to play it. May your god smite you with muteness if you can not learn to speak plainly and take credit for your words.

No...actually....

We all die....we all lay down to surrender our last breaths.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

As for the afterlife.....
Crossing over means dealing with anyone who went before you.

That you don't believe in the afterlife virtually guarantees you won't be able to function there.

Not that you should worry about it.
Dust you are...dust you will be.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

While theism and atheism may be defined by answering the question "Do I believe in God?", the ignostic hasn't answered the question.

As I said: absconding with it.

Actually, atheism isn't defined by answering the question. Atheism is defined by giving any other reaction than "I accept the claim" to the claim that a God exists. This includes rejecting the claim, not knowing how to answer the claim, and just plain not answering it.

 

[Thief]

Falling into the event horizon of a black hole.

Maybe not.

A fellow by the name Suskind has been arguing with another guy Hawkins....
for about thirty years.

Recently, Suskind seems to have gained the lead.
And he describes the event horizon quite differently.

Of course doing so means going there to find out.

More likely you will die here first.

 

[AntEmpire]

I agree there are many atheists out there who are not doing this. But it seems to me that the new atheists like Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens, are really going out of their way to negate the value, contribution, of religion -- positing a world without religion, in an almost militant and aggressive style.

They wear Scarlet A's on their jackets, and blame most of society's ills on religion.

My question is this: why do some atheists (mostly new atheists), feel a need to do this. Is it a general want to help mankind awaken from their foolish belief in deities? Do they really think that people will not be faithful after they read their works?

Also it seems to me from reading their books - which are all titled like God is not Great and the God Delusion, etc. -- that their attacks are not necesarrily on God, but on organized religion -- and a specific Judeo-Christian "white bearded man in the sky" version of God; they focus on the ill deeds of man and rather ignore the foundations of Christianity's messages. Doesn't this kind of look biased, because God is such a vague term -- that the titles of their books be more centered on organized religion and the wrongs done in the names of faith, rather than faith itself?

Thoughts?

Extreme atheists =/= everyday atheists (but i think ya knew that)

As for why some atheists feel the need to act in a way that pushes their views; could it be because 90% of the world is theistic. And this is the first time in the modern world when there has been a significant atheist population. I don't want to compare it but its like the gays, its finally time for a group of people to come out of the closet and **** hits the fan alil bit

As for your last part about their books, sure they suck, I don't like strong atheists. But there are 100 times as many christian books just like the god delusion, but backwards, bashing everything the author sees and unfit. I read a bit of one, it had a paragraph on the entirety of eastern thinking and religion, mostly about hindu, and the author didn't understand what he was talking about. Most of the readers wouldnt either and would just take his word for it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Maybe not.

Maybe not, but since there is a lot of evidence for the existence of black holes and absolutely zero evidence whatsoever for any kind of afterlife, it is by default the more likely thing to happen.

A fellow by the name Suskind has been arguing with another guy Hawkins....
for about thirty years.

Recently, Suskind seems to have gained the lead.
And he describes the event horizon quite differently.

Of course doing so means going there to find out.

More likely you will die here first.

Irrelevant. Black holes exist, afterlife most likely does not exist.

Tell me, are you more likely to be killed by a piece of space debris, or by bigfoot?

 

[Thief]

Maybe not, but since there is a lot of evidence for the existence of black holes and absolutely zero evidence whatsoever for any kind of afterlife, it is by default the more likely thing to happen.


Irrelevant. Black holes exist, afterlife most likely does not exist.

Tell me, are you more likely to be killed by a piece of space debris, or by bigfoot?

Breathing insures someday you won't.

Lack of faith insures you won't continue.

Without belief....you won't prepare.
Without preparation....you won't be able to continue.

 

[Alceste]

No...actually....

We all die....we all lay down to surrender our last breaths.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

As for the afterlife.....
Crossing over means dealing with anyone who went before you.

That you don't believe in the afterlife virtually guarantees you won't be able to function there.

Not that you should worry about it.
Dust you are...dust you will be.

Lol, yes, it is my intention to die, and once dead, to cease to be alive. I may throw in a bit of decomposition, but it would be funnier to have wings grafted onto my corpse and have it interred in ideal fossilization conditions to prolong your vain hope of a magical world beyond this one.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Breathing insures someday you won't.

Lack of faith insures you won't continue.

Faith in what? Do you have faith in the Muslim God? The Hindu Gods? Zeus? Ra? Jupiter?

Without belief....you won't prepare.
Without preparation....you won't be able to continue.

You can live in fear of death if you want, but I'm not buying it. Go peddle your phobias elsewhere.

 

[Willamena]

Actually, atheism isn't defined by answering the question.

Nevertheless, the definition did arise.

 

[Thief]

Lol, yes, it is my intention to die, and once dead, to cease to be alive. I may throw in a bit of decomposition, but it would be funnier to have wings grafted onto my corpse and have it interred in ideal fossilization conditions to prolong your vain hope of a magical world beyond this one.

And funnier yet....

You stand up from your dust....as this would be the spirit you really are....

And then the angels appear....to see what came of the dust.

You say...'oooohhh....sh!!!!!!!'

They say...'Right you are!!!!!'

Fertilizer you will be.