Atheist Desire to Disprove God

[Alceste]

And funnier yet....

You stand up from your dust....as this would be the spirit you really are....

And then the angels appear....to see what came of the dust.

You say...'oooohhh....sh!!!!!!!'

They say...'Right you are!!!!!'

Fertilizer you will be.

As a gardener, I can think of no nobler calling.

 

[Alceste]

I'm sorry you think that I actually think that.



Actually it is.

A belief is anything that is believed to be.






It's not. Your just trying to sugar up your subsequent nothingness




Not being a theist, for the fourth time.

"Not being a theist" is not a belief, obviously. A tea kettle is not a theist. Is a tea kettle a belief?

 

[Orias]

But that doesn't make speaking English a belief.


But that does not make being six feet tall a belief.


But that does not make atheism a belief.

A belief is anything that is believed to be...again.

You speak the English language, you believe you are speaking the English language.

Seriously, Orias, do you have any grasp of logic or semantics? Also, using the phrase "rhetorical denomination" doesn't make you sound smart. It just makes you sound more confused.

Clearly my grasp on logic and semantics is beyond your comprehension.

It really makes me sound more confused when I reference that atheism attracts those who seek to be part of something, hence rhetoric (effective), and denomination (a classification of a group).

You'r just acting like I am complicating things more than they are, and I'm not.

Except not believing something and believing something not to be are two different positions.

Get this through your squishy brain, not believing something is a belief as much as believing something not to be.

I couldn't help but notice the amount of references towards belief, and you should come to the understanding that something that is thought to not be a belief, shouldn't use belief in discription.

Are you being serious? I can't even tell at this point.

At this point it's purely amusement.

You obviously lack the consistency to direct my points accordingly.

Except the majority of strong atheists I know would agree with the definition we're currently giving. In fact, there are some strong atheists on this board who are currently arguing with you.

I agree with the definition.

This is exactly my point.

Once again, not believing something and believing something does not exist are not the same thing.

Then educate me on the difference.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Now, explain again with a more coherent argument:

"I do not believe X." Where is belief implied?

Yes, it makes no sense to a senseless person.

Perhaps reference to believe would oblige your question.

Did you even read the definition you posted? It's the exact same definition we've been giving you for several pages.

I did read the definiton, the mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust in others.

Trust also references belief, which means you are not only not capable of thinking for yourself, you base your argument off of what others have said.

You search with your eyes, you are easy to fool.

You said:

"necessity dictates that one who views in such a way, beliefs that it is, in such a way."

So, what is being "viewed" by atheists, and what is the "way" in which they are "viewing" it?

They view existence in a way that...OMG...theists don't!

 

[Willamena]

"Not being a theist" is not a belief, obviously. A tea kettle is not a theist. Is a tea kettle a belief?

Is a tea kettle an atheist?

 

[RitalinO.D.]

when I reference that atheism attracts those who seek to be part of something

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've read on here in days. And thats saying something.

 

[Orias]

"Not being a theist" is not a belief, obviously. A tea kettle is not a theist. Is a tea kettle a belief?

Are you saying that atheism is a hand held device?

 

[Orias]

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've read on here in days. And thats saying something.

That's funny, this is the most pointless and dumbest post I've read ever.

Do you have any other interests besides being a moronic troll?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

A belief is anything that is believed to be...again.

You speak the English language, you believe you are speaking the English language.

Except those are two different things.

"You speak the English language." "You believe you are speaking the English language."

See? One is what is, the other is what you believe. They are two different claims.

Clearly my grasp on logic and semantics is beyond your comprehension.

Clearly.

It really makes me sound more confused when I reference that atheism attracts those who seek to be part of something, hence rhetoric (effective), and denomination (a classification of a group).

Except rhetoric means "language", not simply "effect".

You'r just acting like I am complicating things more than they are, and I'm not.

Clearly, you are.

Get this through your squishy brain, not believing something is a belief as much as believing something not to be.

Right, that's it, I'm calling poe on you. There's no way you can be for real.

I couldn't help but notice the amount of references towards belief, and you should come to the understanding that something that is thought to not be a belief, shouldn't use belief in discription.

Because I understand the difference between the absence of a belief and a belief, in much the same way as I can understand the absence of food and food. Somehow, you cannot.

I agree with the definition.

This is exactly my point.

You mean this definition:

Atheism is the absence of a belief in a God.

Then educate me on the difference.

One is a claim, the other is a position with regards to a claim. No claim is made when somebody says "I don't believe X" with regards to X. A person simply does not believe X. This does not mean that they therefore conclude or claim that X does not exist. "I believe X does not exist" is a different position, whereby a person states that they believe that X does not exist.

Here's some homework. Tell me the differences between the following statements:

"I do not believe my wife is cooking pasta tonight." "My wife is not cooking pasta tonight."

"I don't believe bigfoot exists." "Bigfoot does not exist."

"I don't believe you." "You are a lying."

In each instance there is a position with regards to a claim, and a claim. Can you tell the difference?

Yes, it makes no sense to a senseless person.

Ah, the classic argument of someone whose position is totally baseless.

Perhaps reference to believe would oblige your question.

Perhaps the use of the word "not" passed you by.

I did read the definiton, the mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust in others.

Congratulations. You are now selectively quoting your own quotes.

Trust also references belief, which means you are not only not capable of thinking for yourself, you base your argument off of what others have said.

You search with your eyes, you are easy to fool.

Yeah, I'm definitely calling poe.

They view existence in a way that...OMG...theists don't!

And what is that way?

Your evasiveness and inability to answer a simple question is duly noted, however.

 

[outhouse]

Yeah, I'm definitely calling poe.

Exactly what I have been saying. POE

and it has the nerver to call someone else a troll

 

[Alceste]

Is a tea kettle an atheist?

Not relevant.

 

[Alceste]

Are you saying that atheism is a hand held device?

No, I am responding to your ridiculous assertion that "not a theist" is a belief.

Given that your actual, rather inane point "atheists believe that they lack belief in a god or gods" was conceded pages ago, why are you still going? Just curious.

 

[Orias]

Except those are two different things.

"You speak the English language." "You believe you are speaking the English language."

See? One is what is, the other is what you believe. They are two different claims.

It must be to abstract for you to understand that "what is" is perceived, believed to be. Subjected in the sense that thousands of different labels exist, simply to describe what we process externally. Just because it is written, does not make it so.

Clearly.

Indeed.

Except rhetoric means "language", not simply "effect".

By which means language is "effect". Good one.

Clearly, you are.

I'd like to know what you think I'm aruging.

Right, that's it, I'm calling poe on you. There's no way you can be for real.

Self evidence must be hypocritical to one who accuses another of the same paraody. Hmm...I can only laugh at you.

Because I understand the difference between the absence of a belief and a belief, in much the same way as I can understand the absence of food and food. Somehow, you cannot.

Too bad that's not the topic of discussion.

You mean this definition:

Atheism is the absence of a belief in a God.

Yes actually.

Lack of belief, disbelief...the funny thing is that this is believed by most atheists.

One is a claim, the other is a position with regards to a claim.

So then an opinion wouldn't a belief then would it?

No claim is made when somebody says "I don't believe X" with regards to X. A person simply does not believe X. This does not mean that they therefore conclude or claim that X does not exist. "I believe X does not exist" is a different position, whereby a person states that they believe that X does not exist.

But to assert one's right to opinion makes a claim.

Here's some homework. Tell me the differences between the following statements:

"I do not believe my wife is cooking pasta tonight." "My wife is not cooking pasta tonight."

"I don't believe bigfoot exists." "Bigfoot does not exist."

"I don't believe you." "You are a lying."

In each instance there is a position with regards to a claim, and a claim. Can you tell the difference?

Very easily.

But this argument appears to based off the notion that we actually know anything at all.

Ah, the classic argument of someone whose position is totally baseless.

This would also be a good example of that.

Perhaps the use of the word "not" passed you by.

I think the use of the word "belief" passed you by.

Congratulations. You are now selectively quoting your own quotes.

To bad I've been trying to show you this definition for 10 pages.

Yeah, I'm definitely calling poe.

Good, at least you know what a self evident truth is.

And what is that way?

Your evasiveness and inability to answer a simple question is duly noted, however.

I clearly answered your question.

 

[Willamena]

No, I am responding to your ridiculous assertion that "not a theist" is a belief.

Okay. What exactly is ridiculous about the suggestion that someone could invest belief in the fraction* "not a theist"?

*fraction of a larger posit

 

[ImmortalFlame]

By which means language is "effect". Good one.

Self evidence must be hypocritical to one who accuses another of the same paraody. Hmm...I can only laugh at you.

Lack of belief, disbelief...the funny thing is that this is believed by most atheists.

So then an opinion wouldn't a belief then would it?

But to assert one's right to opinion makes a claim.

But this argument appears to based off the notion that we actually know anything at all.

I think the use of the word "belief" passed you by.

I clearly answered your question.

Y'know what? We're done. If you honestly think any of the above statements are true or rational, then either you can't be reasoned with on any level, or you are one of the best poes/trolls ever.

 

[ChristineES]

An atheist trying to disprove God would be the same as a theist trying to prove God: Pointless.
I don't think either can be done. And I agree with OP that says that most atheists don't try to disprove God and also I know that most theists don't try to prove God (don't you love run-on sentences).

 

[RitalinO.D.]

That's funny, this is the most pointless and dumbest post I've read ever.

Do you have any other interests besides being a moronic troll?

Wow, sounds like hit a nerve there pal.


The comment wasn't even directed at you, so I fail to see why you felt the need to insert your useless insult. I couldn't really care less what you find pointless, just as I doubt he cares what I find dumb.

When people make dumb statements, they should expect to be called out on it. Such as Atheists are only atheists cause they need to fit in. That's a dumb statement and I called it out as such. If you cant handle that, then thats your problem not mine.


If you have read any of my other posts, you would notice that I am indeed not a troll, and try my best to respond intelligently and without judgement. But that would require you to pay attention.


Sometimes s*** happens and you just have to deal with it.


edit* Funny tho how you call me a troll when i see others accusing you of the same offense. Ain't that a bi***?

 

[AntEmpire]

Is a tea kettle an atheist?

Does a tea kettle have a belief in a deity?

 

[Thief]

As a gardener, I can think of no nobler calling.

I can.

But it has a lot to do with believing in God.

Ever consider the choice of what you will be...might not be yours?

(Notice the title of the thread.)

Of course, not having belief.....won't yield anything positive.
'Terminal' is preferred?
No hope for more?...(life).

Easier to say 'nay'...apparently.

 

[Wombat]

An atheist trying to disprove God would be the same as a theist trying to prove God: Pointless.
(I don't think either can be done. ).

Exactly:bow:

And yet, at both ends of the theist-atheist spectrum, one will find fundamentalists firmly convinced (through nothing more than 'gnosis') that they have 'proof' of either propisition.

Which is why Thomas Huxley had to invent 'Agnostics'
And thank God he did!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Not being a theist, for the fourth time.

Not being a theist isn't a belief. If you think it is, please state specifically what the belief is.

This really shouldn't be that hard.

Let's try this again. If atheism is a belief please state what belief is specific to atheism. Just asking for one.

Let me help you. "Atheists believe ____." Now fill in the blank with something that is specific to someone being an atheist, and which applies to all atheists. Understand now?