Atheist Desire to Disprove God

[Kilgore Trout]

Read below toots.

Yep. Already slapped the crap out of that one.

Try again sport.

 

[Orias]

This isn't specific to atheists.

Try again.

Actually, it's specific to everyone, but is indeed a belief that an atheist holds.

Theists also believe that atheists are atheists.

Yes, but atheists believe it.

Additionally, this isn't a belief specific to atheists, nor does this belief make you an atheist.

I'm pretty sure if you think your an atheist you are an atheist.

Therefore, such a belief doesn't fit the bill that atheism is a belief. However, it can be a belief about atheists, which anyone, atheist or theist, can hold.

Sure it does, you believe in your atheism.

Try again.

I don't see you proving that you actually know anything.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't see you proving that you actually know anything.

I'm simply demonstrating that your statement that atheism is a belief is false.

Let's try this again.

"Atheists believe _____."

Simply fill in the blank with something that is specific to atheists (meaning only atheists believe it), and that all atheists believe. Also, it needs to be something that is grammatically and logically correct.

If atheism is a belief, you should be able to easily do this.

 

[Orias]

Just don't bother. Orias was called out on his nonsense a long time ago, and has since then been forced to move his goalposts so far that there's no room for the rest of the pitch.

Haha, not really, the argument has been the same the whole time. As redundant as it is.

Under his current definition of belief, anything and everything can be considered a belief,

Actually, the current definition of "knowledge" makes everything a belief or believed in.

so his definition is both entirely self-serving and meaningless.

You make a very valid point, and I am extremely inclined to agree with you.

Every definition is self serving and entirely meaningless, since we do die and all.

Just ignore him - he already knows he's wrong, he's just trolling.

Actually, I know that I know nothing. And that you, among others, haven't even dented my will.

I would say that your just trolling now, since I am actually here trying to see if an atheist can actually prove that atheism isn't a belief, along with their "prove" against God.

Strangely...you gave up long ago. Which makes me wonder why your even here...:help:

 

[Willamena]

This isn't specific to atheists.

Try again.

But it is specific to atheists, whether those atheists label themselves "theist" or something else.

 

[Orias]

I'm simply demonstrating that your statement that atheism is a belief is false.

And I asked you to prove that you actually know anything...and yet I am still waiting.

"Atheists believe _____."

That atheism isn't a belief (to the weak one's at least)

If atheism is a belief, you should be able to easily do this.

And I have been, you just chose not to see.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But it is specific to atheists, whether those atheists label themselves "theist" or something else.

No, it isn't. Theists can also believe that only theists believe in something called "God".

 

[Willamena]

No, it isn't. Theists can also believe that only theists believe in something called "God".

Well, I'm flexible in that way, as well as acknowledging those athesist who believe in "god". But certain other people only hear in absolutes.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Well, I'm flexible in that way, as well as acknowledging those athesist who believe in "god". But certain other people only hear in absolutes.

So, you're flexible to the extent that positions can be completely contradictory and words have absolutely no meaning whatsoever?

 

[Willamena]

So, you're flexible to the extent that positions can be completely contradictory and words have absolutely no meaning whatsoever?

They don't have to be contradictory, though they certainly can be.

I don't see terms being relative as lacking in meaning -- just the opposite, in fact. We are all that give them meaning.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

They don't have to be contradictory, though they certainly can be.

You mean believing in a God and not believing in a God?

Nope, they're pretty contradictory.

I don't see terms being relative as lacking in meaning -- just the opposite, in fact. We are all that give them meaning.

Yes, we do, hence why you cannot be an atheist who believes in a God. It defeats and contradicts the entire meaning we gave to the word.

 

[Willamena]

Yes, we do, hence why you cannot be an atheist who believes in a God. It defeats and contradicts the entire meaning we gave to the word.

Okay.

 

[Orias]

You mean believing in a God and not believing in a God?

Nope, they're pretty contradictory.

Only if you narrow down what God means.

Would it be contradictory to not believe in an external God yet believe in oneself as a God?

Yes, we do, hence why you cannot be an atheist who believes in a God. It defeats and contradicts the entire meaning we gave to the word.

What about pantheism? Panentheism?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Okay.

So, you now accept that you cannot be an atheist who believes in a God?

 

[atanu]

Nope. My point is to get you to state what the belief of atheism is.

Let's try this again.

"Atheists believe _____."

I think any answer will be a steroetype. And same goes with "Theists believe ----".

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In general, atheist signifies 'not theist' or 'without theism' (going by the common meaning of prefix 'a'). As a result, an atheist may say, 'I don't believe God exists'.

On the other hand, an 'atheist' may also signify a person who is in a particular state of being a 'theist' -- akin to the use of word 'aglow' or 'atheist' may be used similarly as words 'aside' or 'afresh'.

:seesaw:


I think, fulcrum is the intellect and the word, which appears as either this or that, is actually bipolar.

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[Willamena]

So, you now accept that you cannot be an atheist who believes in a God?

It doesn't matter. My agreeing or disagreeing won't be heard.

Absolute reality, eh?

 

[Alceste]

All atheists hold that theists "believe in God."

Again, that's just the definition of the word theist. Not only atheists believe that is what the word means, so it is not a tenet exclusive to atheism.

 

[atanu]

Let me try this logic out:

I believe that I'm an atheist, therefore being an atheist is a belief.

I believe that I'm 6 feet tall, therefore being six feet tall is a belief.

I believe that I speak English, therefore speaking English is a belief.

Did I get it right? :sarcastic

I think the blue ones are not beliefs in strict sense. They are factual knowledge based on agreed references.

The red one is different.

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[Orias]

I created a thread that is more suitable for the current discussion. Take a gander if it interests you.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/112334-atheism-belief.html

 

[PolyHedral]

And what number do you want to call Him?

How about?...the One.

A single number would not suffice, but collections can, just have they sufficed for describing everything else.