gerobbins
What's your point?
Yep, conjecture either way...
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Atheists and God
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Yep, conjecture either way...
Wotan
Active Member
No, you don't.
The earth was NOT designed for us. WE evolved to fit the conditions of the earth. If it was colder we would be different. Just like that puddle. Put it in different hole and it fits - perfectly. Life is like that. Put it somewhere, like volcanic jets under water, and it well work.
WE fit the earth not the other way around. Earth was here 1st.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
There is no concrete evidence that the universe 'just happened'.
However, naturalistic explanations are constantly verified.
Supernatural explanations, by definition, are unverifiable, and are essentially filling in 'I do not know' or 'we are not sure' with 'Goddidit'. Known as 'God of the Gaps'.
As to your last question. Speaking for myself, I do not feel threatened at all.
But I would ask you, are you threatened by the possibility of no God? No afterlife? No meaning to life other than life itself?
McBell
Unbound
I said I would right after you prove to me that God just happened.
Show me concrete evidence that god even exists, let alone just happened.
See, you are just fine with dodging the exact same question when applied to your god that you demand an answer for when applied to the universe.
It is possibly that there is a creator.
Though why said creator would go to such great lengths to hide its existence is most puzzling.
Perhaps your creator is ashamed of its creator?
I mean, your creator god has to have a creator because it is so complex, right?
If your creator god does not require a creator, then why does the universe?
I mean, other than you have to have SOMETHING to point to when asked what your creator god created.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
OK, well, we have no evidence that the universe was designed, and we know that an intelligent designer is not necessary.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
If that was true, you wouldn't have given the responses to them that you gave.
What question do you think people are avoiding?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
The only one not giving intelligent responses here has been you.
Why do you apply different standards? You have no proof or concrete evidence that the universe must have been created. You should keep your mind open about it because there is no clear reason to believe God created it.
What we can show you is evidence that a god is unnecessary. I'd like you to show that you'd actually listen before spending time on that.
So, what you're saying is that you don't have concrete evidence either way, so you're just going to assume the way you like. The fact is we can show that God is unnecessary, and that the only reason people attribute it to God is because they've been taught to.
Quick question: What makes you think we're threatened? As I've said, I really don't care whether a god exists. If it does, great. It is possible that an intelligent creator exists. It's also possible that invisible pink, flying elephants exist on Earth. There's no reason to believe either thing exists. Since it's possible for the universe to exist without God, and we have no evidence that God exists, it's reasonable to assume that God doesn't exist, at the very least until there is some evidence for God's existence.
gerobbins
What's your point?
McBell
Unbound
You are still dodging the question.
You do an awful lot of whining about others not answering your questions, even though they are nothing more than your rewording the same question until you get the answer you want, but do not hesitate to dodge the exact same question when asked of you.
You are a hypocrite.
Plain and simple.
Now how did Jesus feel about hypocrites again?
Just in case you want to actually answer the question you have dodged, ignored, avoided, etc. here it is one last time for you:
Who/what created god?
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Twig pentagram
High Priest
I'm god...I knew it:beach:
I'm afraid that you really need to put a lot more effort in understanding what atheism is and what motivates it.
linwood
Well-Known Member
Yes, in my opinion.
The opinion of someone who has been an atheist since birth.
The opinion of someone who knows and converses with many many atheists.
Whose opinion holds more value on this subject?
Not at all, I`ve rarely seen anything in black & white.
I`m well aware that the world is many shades of gray.
You could, but you`d be wrong...again.
From the article in question, the first paragraph....
First sentence..
I`ve never heard an atheist state that they had "proof" of gods non existence.
Such a thing is a fallacy and most atheists know this.
Logical arguments against his existence..yes
Rational observation against his existence..yes
"Proof" or "Evidence" of his non-existence..No.
Second sentence...
Evolution has nothing to do with the question of the existence or non-existence of god and I`ve never heard any atheist state that it did.
The two subjects have nothing on common nor does one influence the other.
The writer of the article obviously has no clue what an atheist is and is simply misconstruing and obfuscating arguments that have never been made.
That`s my "opinion".
:areyoucra
gerobbins
What's your point?
No one Created God, he just always was. Just like you say the universe always was.
This is getting boring. Time to work on a new thread...
And I am a Hyocrite? your too funny.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Good. Then we're agreed that your reasoning in this thread has been poor. If you say God always was, then you have to admit the possibility that the universe always was. Therefore, "the universe had to be created by something" is not sound reasoning.
McBell
Unbound
gerobbins
What's your point?
gerobbins
What's your point?
If my reasoning is poor, yours is just as poor. Truth is no one can answer the question.
waitasec
Veteran Member
and who claims to have a relationship with god?
If no one can know the answer then why do you say this:
You are claiming you both know the answer and that the answer only you and other christians know brings you joy and poor atheists for never having that joy.
How ridiculous is that? First you say no one can know then counter that you do know and if the stupid atheists would just look around they could share in your answer and your joy.
