Atheists and God

[Autodidact]

Everyone is so sensitive. Post an artricle on Theists and why you think they are wrong. Then we can debate both.

Otherwise, there is no point.

Wanting to debate the article you posted to debate is sensitive?!?!
I didn't post something, gerobbins, you did. If you thought there was no point in debating it, then why did you post it? When I have something to debate, I'll post it. Then I'll debate it, not accuse people who accept my invitation to debate it of being too sensitive. Maybe you should go back and read some of the forum materials, such as its mission and rules, before you try posting any more.

 

[ninerbuff]

Good article to read. What is everyones thoughts?

Athiests and God | Relijournal

The diet solution ad is just another fad diet. Diets don't work. They are just a temporary way of losing weight, but don't solve the issue of why someone is overweight.

Oh and it's a good article...............for those that believe in a god.

 

[Magic Man]

Everyone is so sensitive. Post an artricle on Theists and why you think they are wrong. Then we can debate both.

But you're the one who posted the article and then asked for opinions. Why would we post an article on a different group of people? Can't we just discuss your article, like you asked in the OP?

Why would our posting of a different article suddenly make you debate yours again?

 

[Autodidact]

Just believe in good old God, and you ll be better.

Which one?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Which one?

All of them!

i'm not putting another god before you! i'm putting you and all other gods in a line, EQUALLY.

 

[gerobbins]

But you're the one who posted the article and then asked for opinions. Why would we post an article on a different group of people? Can't we just discuss your article, like you asked in the OP?

Why would our posting of a different article suddenly make you debate yours again?

Sure we can discuss, but not when everyone gets their backs up and not with sarcasm. One poster said I owe an apology to everyone. I don't owe anything to anyone.

Its seems to me everyone gets angry when, their beliefs are put into question. Discuss it in a mature fashion, without the sarcasm and attack on character and I am happy to debate. Like adults, not children.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It has come to my attention that Christianity has recently been used as excuse to murder children accused of witchcraft. And from a look at history it seems that Christianity has been used an an excuse for violent expansionism and colonialism, attempted genocide, and a murderous fear of new ideas.
Based on the recent, and historical, examples, it should be obvious that Christianity is a bane on society and is responsible for much of our planets violent past.

 

[gerobbins]

It has come to my attention that Christianity has recently been used as excuse to murder children accused of witchcraft. And from a look at history it seems that Christianity has been used an an excuse for violent expansionism and colonialism, attempted genocide, and a murderous fear of new ideas.
Based on the recent, and historical, examples, it should be obvious that Christianity is a bane on society and is responsible for much of our planets violent past.

I aggree with you on this, but that is the extremists.
You can't group all christians with those extremists.
The Majority are peace loving people.
Just as you can't group all athiests with the athiest extremists, and there have been many as well that commited genocide one a wide scale and are just as responsible for our planets violent past.
As the majority of athiests are peace loving people as well.

 

[Falvlun]

Discuss it in a mature fashion, without the sarcasm and attack on character and I am happy to debate. Like adults, not children.

We did do that. You never responded in like fashion. I don't feel like going through all the posts that honestly and maturely dealt with your article, but posts 13 and 16 are prime examples.

Unsurprisingly, you didn't respond to either.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I aggree with you on this, but that is the extremists.
You can't group all christians with those extremists.
The Majority are peace loving people.
Just as you can't group all athiests with the athiest extremists, and there have been many as well that commited genocide one a wide scale and are just as responsible for our planets violent past.
As the majority of athiests are peace loving people as well.

Except not a single atrocity has ever been committed "in the name of atheism". Nothing of evil has ever been done as a direct result of somebody's atheism.

On the other hand, religious institutions and doctrines throughout history have directly provided the motive and justification for countless atrocities, prolonged or caused human suffering or inspired people to terrifying acts of inhumanity.

I agree with you that this is not the norm, but the fact is that if religion were a truly good thing deserving of it's place in the world as an infallible moral system these things should never have happened.

 

[linwood]

On the other hand, religious institutions and doctrines throughout history have directly provided the motive and justification for countless atrocities, prolonged or caused human suffering or inspired people to terrifying acts of inhumanity.

Psst...they`re still doing it today.

Catholic church hiv/aids in Africa.
Mormons gay equality USA
Conservative Christians everyone who doesn`t hold their beliefs everywhere.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It has come to my attention that Christianity has recently been used as excuse to murder children accused of witchcraft. And from a look at history it seems that Christianity has been used an an excuse for violent expansionism and colonialism, attempted genocide, and a murderous fear of new ideas.
Based on the recent, and historical, examples, it should be obvious that Christianity is a bane on society and is responsible for much of our planets violent past.

I aggree with you on this, but that is the extremists.
You can't group all christians with those extremists.
The Majority are peace loving people.
Just as you can't group all athiests with the athiest extremists, and there have been many as well that commited genocide one a wide scale and are just as responsible for our planets violent past.
As the majority of athiests are peace loving people as well.

So, in my response to your article, where I pointed out your gross generalizations and over-simplifications of Atheists...would you agree that what your article did was no different than my blurb above?

No, Biological Evolution has nothing to say about the existence or non-existence of God.

Why do Christians find it necessary to shove their concept of God down everyones throats?
See how ridiculous and overgeneralized that sounds?

There is no need to prove a negative. If they see no evidence of God, it is perfectly reasonable to assume no God exists.

How can one remove what one does not believe exists?

May students pray together in public schools?
Yes. Students are free to pray alone or in
groups, as long as the activity is not disruptive
and does not infringe upon the rights of others.
These activities must be truly voluntary and
student-initiated. For example, students are
permitted to gather around the flagpole for
prayer before school begins, as long as the event
is not sponsored by the school and other
students are not pressured to attend. Students
do not have a right to force a captive audience.
http://www.freedomforum.org/publications/first/findingcommonground/B12.ParentsGuide.pdf



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In Science class and biology. Creationism is a religious subject.
There is no scientific evidence supporting Creationism or ID.


The rest of your article is equally baseless claptrap that assumes Atheists are working for Satan unwittingly and they all need to come back to God.


But thanks for the laugh...





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[Autodidact]

Sure we can discuss, but not when everyone gets their backs up and not with sarcasm. One poster said I owe an apology to everyone. I don't owe anything to anyone.

Its seems to me everyone gets angry when, their beliefs are put into question. Discuss it in a mature fashion, without the sarcasm and attack on character and I am happy to debate. Like adults, not children.

What are you talking about? I'm responding to your post by pointing out the specific fallacies and factual innacuracies in it. You don't seem to be interested in discussing that, and have consistently ignored them. Why did you post this article, if you don't want to debate it? If you do, then please start.

 

[Autodidact]

I aggree with you on this, but that is the extremists.
You can't group all christians with those extremists.
The Majority are peace loving people.
Just as you can't group all athiests with the athiest extremists, and there have been many as well that commited genocide one a wide scale and are just as responsible for our planets violent past.
As the majority of athiests are peace loving people as well.

The majority are peace-loving people NOW, because secular governments restrain them from crusades and pogroms.

I can think of atrocities committed by atheists, but I can't think of any in the name of, for, on behalf or because of atheism, can you?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Everyone is so sensitive. Post an artricle on Theists and why you think they are wrong. Then we can debate both.

Otherwise, there is no point.

Wait... so you get all uppity after people are critical of an article you wrote, and we're the ones who are "so sensitive"?

I think you're projecting.

 

[gerobbins]

Wait... so you get all uppity after people are critical of an article you wrote, and we're the ones who are "so sensitive"?

I think you're projecting.

Naw, I am not uppity. Actually, I am pretty laid back if you must know.

 

[gerobbins]

The majority are peace-loving people NOW, because secular governments restrain them from crusades and pogroms.

I can think of atrocities committed by atheists, but I can't think of any in the name of, for, on behalf or because of atheism, can you?

Joesph Stalin...

 

[Wotan]

Joesph Stalin...

Bull!

Please quote the law or policy that required ANY action taken against ANY believer SOLELY because he/she believed in god any god.

Do quote that law. Or just quote ANY statement Stalin ever made that said or implied that belief in god(s) was grounds for any state action whatever.

 

[Wotan]

While you are working on that I got one for you.

"Religion must be of no concern to the state, and religious societies must have no connection with governmental authority. Everyone must be absolutely free to profess any religion he pleases, or no religion whatever, i.e., to be an atheist, which every socialist is, as a rule. Discrimination among citizens on account of their religious convictions is wholly intolerable. Even the bare mention of a citizen’s religion in official documents should unquestionably be eliminated. No subsidies should be granted to the established church nor state allowances made to ecclesiastical and religious societies. These should become absolutely free associations of like-minded citizens, associations independent of the state."
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Guess who?

 

[Autodidact]

Joesph Stalin...

Really? Stalin killed people for failing to be atheists? I'm not familiar with those incidents. Tell us more.

Do you understand the difference between "happened to be an atheist," and "an action committed on behalf of atheism?" For example, Jeffrey Dahmer was a mass murderer and a Christian, but he didn't commit murder on behalf of Christianity. People like Pope Innocent III did that. See the difference?