Atheists and God

[Wotan]

And how is it unsupported? Its an opinion, no reason to get hostile about it.

There is NO evidence cited in support of the opinion. (Not that we would expect someone of your intellectual bent to be concerned with or moved to provide actual FACTS.) Clearly from your "understanding" of ToE you either have no concept of evidence and/or scientific theories or have chosen to ignore it.

 

[Meow Mix]

And how is it unsupported? Its an opinion, no reason to get hostile about it.

Oh I'm not hostile -- just calling an ugly mug when I see it. It has nothing to do with you, the author. As far as I'm concerned we can become fast friends. But I don't respect the opinions you wrote. I can respect you without respecting your opinions.

If I sound hostile it may be because your opinions typecast me and other atheists unfairly without even a real understanding of what atheists are and what they believe. That is to say, there is no consistent thing that atheists believe aside from not being convinced that the proposition "God(s) exist" is true. That's the only thing atheists have in common. Since atheists are defined by what they are not (not-theists), we are as diverse as... say... non-blondes. When you're defined by what you're not, you usually don't necessarily have to have a whole lot in common besides lacking that thing.

Yes, many atheists also accept the theory of evolution, but that has nothing to do with atheism. That has to do with understanding the science. Many atheists are competent in science because to become an atheist in the first place, most have to be interested in why the world is the way it is. Else they would just go right with the flock and go with believing in gods and such. So, it's unsurprising that atheists often learn at least the basics of science and metaphysics because usually atheism is just a symptom of their deeper desire to learn about the universe as it really is (rather than the way they might want it to be).

Evolution isn't atheistic (there are many theists who accept evolution), and not all atheists acknowledge common descent. As I said, your opinion shows a poor and prejudiced conception of what atheists even are. That may have something to do with why I called it unsupported and garbage.

Again, please understand: I'm a friendly gal. I have no problem with you. I just don't like the sort of stereotyping your post was projecting.

 

[dust1n]

This guy commented directly onto the blog and basically did a good job and fixing that web page.

Biological Evolution has nothing to say about the existence or non-existence of God.
Nor should an Atheist need to “prove” there is no God.
There is no need to prove a negative. If they see no evidence of God, it is perfectly reasonable to assume no God exists.
May students pray together in public schools?
Yes. Students are free to pray alone or in
groups, as long as the activity is not disruptive
and does not infringe upon the rights of others.
These activities must be truly voluntary and
student-initiated. For example, students are
permitted to gather around the flagpole for
prayer before school begins, as long as the event
is not sponsored by the school and other
students are not pressured to attend. Students
do not have a right to force a captive audience.
http://www.freedomforum.org/publicat…rentsGuide.pdf
Sorry, your article is full of baseless speculation and misinformation.

 

[tumbleweed41]

This guy commented directly onto the blog and basically did a good job and fixing that web page.

Thanks

No, Biological Evolution has nothing to say about the existence or non-existence of God.

Why do Christians find it necessary to shove their concept of God down everyones throats?
See how ridiculous and overgeneralized that sounds?

There is no need to prove a negative. If they see no evidence of God, it is perfectly reasonable to assume no God exists.

How can one remove what one does not believe exists?

May students pray together in public schools?
Yes. Students are free to pray alone or in
groups, as long as the activity is not disruptive
and does not infringe upon the rights of others.
These activities must be truly voluntary and
student-initiated. For example, students are
permitted to gather around the flagpole for
prayer before school begins, as long as the event
is not sponsored by the school and other
students are not pressured to attend. Students
do not have a right to force a captive audience.
http://www.freedomforum.org/publications/first/findingcommonground/B12.ParentsGuide.pdf



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In Science class and biology. Creationism is a religious subject.
There is no scientific evidence supporting Creationism or ID.


The rest of your article is equally baseless claptrap that assumes Atheists are working for Satan unwittingly and they all need to come back to God.


But thanks for the laugh...





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[Beaudreaux]

Good article to read. What is everyones thoughts?

Athiests and God | Relijournal

Whoever wrote this should be ashamed. It demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of atheism.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

I like how this article was written by the poster of the OP, and then he says it's a good article to read. Which it wasn't, by the way.

 

[Kerr]

Good article to read. What is everyones thoughts?

Athiests and God | Relijournal

It makes a lot of weird assumptions about atheists, lol.

 

[HonestJoe]

And how is it unsupported? Its an opinion, no reason to get hostile about it.

It's unsupported because you make a number of statements about what (all, by implication) atheists think, do and want without anything concrete to back it up. You flatly state that we are responsible for making society worse with the illogical connection to "morals on primetime TV". You use the classic flawed argument of referring to Richard Dawkins and implying that he somehow represents the majority of mainstream atheists.

The responses here are no more hostile towards you than your article is towards us. They could have been much worse (though I'm glad they weren't).

As a side point, how do you know your small part in feeding this false conflict between "atheists" and believers isn't doing the Devil's work without you realising it?

 

[MW0082]

I just find it so ironic that religious people have persecuted those who believe differently than them for centuries, and the moment somebody simply states "Hey, I actually don't think God exists", it is the atheists that are shoving their beliefs in their faces. Wah, wah, wah.

Agreed, and if you think about it atheists aren't going around killing and torturing those that don't also believe the same things......

 

[Magic Man]

Good article to read. What is everyones thoughts?

Athiests and God | Relijournal

I think it's the typical nonsensical drivel we hear from a lot of Christians who love drama and haven't taken a second to try to understand atheism or reality.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Good article to read.

By "good article to read", I can only assume you mean "good article to read for a prejudiced Christian who is looking for fodder in his quest to feel persecuted despite living a life of privilege", because it seems that's really all the article does.

What is everyones thoughts?

My thought is that the purpose of the article is to stroke the egos of certain theists and reinforce their prejudices, not to actually create any sort of actual understanding of atheists.

 

[Wotan]

So where'd he go?

 

[MW0082]

So where'd he go?

to write another biased and unfounded good article for us all to read... YIPPIE!!!:areyoucra

 

[Darkness]

I am an atheist and I do not have a problem with religion per se. Only when it is used to support bigotry and stupidity (like no condoms in Africa). I could care less if a person believes in God, as long as he or she holds socially progressive values.

 

[Eliot Wild]

Many Christians are forced by conventional beliefs to view the world with an 'us-versus-them' perspective. I realize this does not apply to all Christians, and if I tried to make a claim otherwise then I'd be guilty of engaging in unfair generalizations just like the OP.

But I was raised to an evangelical christian faith. Every baptist church I ever attended made a point to stress to its membership that the world is distinctly split between those who serve God and those who serve Satan. Not only does this create a certain psychological delusion for some, a delusion that in some cases borders on paranoia. But if allowed to run unchecked, such a stilted perspective can infuse other areas of the christian life, at least for many. This us-versus-them mentality can carry over into politics, art, social awareness, etc.

It certainly isn't true for all, but some Christians are literally taught that every single person is either actively working for God or actively working for God's enemy, the devil. Hence, as it was indicated in the article, any beliefs and convictions that are not actively supporting Christian dogma are attacked by some as being the spawn of Satan and they are viewed as being active agents of anti-Christiandom. So it goes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It certainly isn't true for all, but some Christians are literally taught that every single person is either actively working for God or actively working for God's enemy, the devil. Hence, as it was indicated in the article, any beliefs and convictions that are not actively supporting Christian dogma are attacked by some as being the spawn of Satan and they are viewed as being active agents of anti-Christiandom. So it goes.

It may sound weird coming from me, but I think this is one area where I prefer the Catholic approach: they may teach that only the Catholic Church has "the fullness of truth", but they also allow for the possibility that other groups have "partial truth" in varying degrees.

 

[gerobbins]

Hey lets just agree to disagree, lets not get uptight about it at all.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Hey lets just agree to disagree, lets not get uptight about it at all.

Does this mean you are standing by the statements made in your article?

 

[Eliot Wild]

It may sound weird coming from me, but I think this is one area where I prefer the Catholic approach: they may teach that only the Catholic Church has "the fullness of truth", but they also allow for the possibility that other groups have "partial truth" in varying degrees.

No, it doesn't sound weird at all, at least not to me given my experience with certain protestant faiths, like evangelical baptists. It seems to me that 'us-versus-them' fundamentlist thinking is not the path to righteousness but the path to self-righteous extremism. Any approach to religion that declares all other schools of thought are wrong, enemies even, is a bit frightening to me. Such are the workshops where radicals are made.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hey lets just agree to disagree, lets not get uptight about it at all.

Heh... I imagine that you wouldn't be so laid-back if it was you who was being subjected to an insulting and false stereotype. If you're going to print negative falsehoods about people, don't be surprised when those people get a bit ticked off at you.